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Is Trump Stupid, Mad (NPD) or both.

Stevicus

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Staff member
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"Trump's campaign readily shows that he is not your father's Republican"

I will believe change when I see. I think Trump reflects what he thinks the people want to hear, and if that is true then we are not really looking at change. We are looking at a voice in America that is actually resistant to change, one that may have fell quite over the years, but now with Trump as their champion, is becoming louder. So not really change, just louder.

I imagine this would largely depend on how one defines "change." I think he resonated with those who believe that America used to be better. His main slogan was "Make America Great Again," mainly due to a widespread belief that America is in decline and taking the wrong course. This has been a recurring theme in American popular culture for as long as I can remember, going back to at least the 70s (probably earlier). Not everyone believes the same way, but I've encountered more than a few people whose constant refrain is that "the whole country is going down the tubes."

To me, Trump comes across as an America Firster - for better or worse. He's a populist candidate who resonated with a lot of people who believe that their government should represent American interests, first and foremost. For the past several decades, Americans have voted for politicians who believed that increased free trade, globalism, as well as measured military interventionism, would stabilize the world, promote a better global economy, and bring about great returns for Americans in terms of expanded markets and a better standard of living overall. This did not happen as expected or promised.

Not that anyone would hold a politician to such a promise. If they had an idea they thought would work, yet didn't, then at least they should own up to it and try something else. All the people really want is just a better deal for America - better jobs, a better quality of life. Whatever we've been doing these past decades hasn't been working. I don't blame just Obama; this has been going on since Nixon. We've been going downward, not up. The public senses this, of course, but those at the top really don't.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I imagine this would largely depend on how one defines "change." I think he resonated with those who believe that America used to be better. His main slogan was "Make America Great Again," mainly due to a widespread belief that America is in decline and taking the wrong course. This has been a recurring theme in American popular culture for as long as I can remember, going back to at least the 70s (probably earlier). Not everyone believes the same way, but I've encountered more than a few people whose constant refrain is that "the whole country is going down the tubes."

To me, Trump comes across as an America Firster - for better or worse. He's a populist candidate who resonated with a lot of people who believe that their government should represent American interests, first and foremost. For the past several decades, Americans have voted for politicians who believed that increased free trade, globalism, as well as measured military interventionism, would stabilize the world, promote a better global economy, and bring about great returns for Americans in terms of expanded markets and a better standard of living overall. This did not happen as expected or promised.

Not that anyone would hold a politician to such a promise. If they had an idea they thought would work, yet didn't, then at least they should own up to it and try something else. All the people really want is just a better deal for America - better jobs, a better quality of life. Whatever we've been doing these past decades hasn't been working. I don't blame just Obama; this has been going on since Nixon. We've been going downward, not up. The public senses this, of course, but those at the top really don't.
The idea that globalisatin could operate with out rules with out constaints. And out side any jurisdiction, answering to no one. Created a commercial paradise for financiers. And loss of entire industries in every first word country. With out any regard for people or national interest. This was not free trade but freedom to rape and pillage.
The concept of free trade is still good but not with out national interests being protected. Tariffs are necessary but they should be used for equalisation not protection of commercial interests. They should be in line with the relative wealth of trading nations. So that the flow is not just to the lowest cost of production. But protects the interests of everyone involved.
The America first idea will not work, it takes two to tango especially in trade. America will do best whe fairness comes first...then trade can flow.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I didn't read six pages of this. I think it is safe to say that Trump is not a politician. Is that a bad thing?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I didn't read six pages of this. I think it is safe to say that Trump is not a politician. Is that a bad thing?
Hi Savagewind.....
Well, Donald Trump certainly is a politician now!

Politicians are folks who drive politics, and Donald Trump is doing that.

.................. and every morning news is 'alive'.
I can't wait to discover what the wall will look like, and other promised productions.

You know, this NPD is just fashionmable bull for narcissus complex, thought up by some new psychiatrist chump to push career forwards. We're constantly hearing new clever terms for well known conditions, and amazingly we respond to 'em.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
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Hi Savagewind.....
Well, Donald Trump certainly is a politician now!

Politicians are folks who drive politics, and Donald Trump is doing that.

.................. and every morning news is 'alive'.
I can't wait to discover what the wall will look like, and other promised productions.

You know, this NPD is just fashionmable bull for narcissus complex, thought up by some new psychiatrist chump to push career forwards. We're constantly hearing new clever terms for well known conditions, and amazingly we respond to 'em.
I can't see that even now he can be considered a politician.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I didn't read six pages of this. I think it is safe to say that Trump is not a politician. Is that a bad thing?

The thread is not about whether he is a politician, it is about the state of his mind.
However it helps if you understand the rules of engagement in any situation you choose to enter.
 

Toten

Member
I think that "politician" IS a state of mind. You don't?

Technically politician is someone with an occupation involved in politics and policy. You can have a political state of mind but if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's for a living, you're not really a politician.

Trump technically IS a politician, since he is literally the president of the USA, the most important political office in the world at the moment. But he's not a career politician. The first president to have no past involvement in politics or the military.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Technically politician is someone with an occupation involved in politics and policy. You can have a political state of mind but if you're flipping burgers at McDonald's for a living, you're not really a politician.

Trump technically IS a politician, since he is literally the president of the USA, the most important political office in the world at the moment. But he's not a career politician. The first president to have no past involvement in politics or the military.
I think that my definition of politician might be different than you guys's.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This one he is not. a person experienced in the art or science of government
This one by default he is. one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government

Let us please hope that he is engaged in it.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think a politician is someone who behaves in a way as to get people's votes. I am going to guess that he isn't thinking about a second term.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
I think a politician is someone who behaves in a way as to get people's votes. I am going to guess that he isn't thinking about a second term.

Trump is a politician and it important we understand that, as that binds him to the rules of the game. And really claiming Trump is not a politician is just a way to say, "He does not have the know how and he does not act like one."
 
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