Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
"Trump is different."
Ins't that very similar to what they said about Obama? What was his campaign slogan again... Oh yea, "Change We Can Believe In"
People make that claim or something close about almost every President.
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Is Trump Stupid, Mad (NPD) or both.
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"Trump is different."
Ins't that very similar to what they said about Obama? What was his campaign slogan again... Oh yea, "Change We Can Believe In"
People make that claim or something close about almost every President.
It may come as even more of a revelation, but the world is not limited to the USA!
Some people cry, it's OK. Life can be hard, crying can be something quite healthy.<<
It can be healthy because a times it is necessary.
Sometimes my grand kids dog jumps in my lap. It does have a bit of a comforting effect.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Trump does indeed have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
The disorder
From the Mayo Clinic web site
The Evidence: in part
From The Washington Post
"On the morning after Donald Trump’s inauguration, acting National Park Service director Michael T. Reynolds received an extraordinary summons: The new president wanted to talk to him.
In a Saturday phone call, Trump personally ordered Reynolds to produce additional photographs of the previous day’s crowds on the Mall, according to three individuals who have knowledge of the conversation. The president believed that the photos might prove that the media had lied in reporting that attendance had been no better than average.
Trump also expressed anger over a retweet sent from the agency’s account, in which side-by-side photographs showed far fewer people at his swearing-in than had shown up to see Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2009.
According to one account, Reynolds had been contacted by the White House and given a phone number to call. When he dialed it, he was told to hold for the president.
For Trump, who sees himself and his achievements in superlative terms, the inauguration’s crowd size has been a source of grievance that he appears unable to put behind him. It is a measure of his fixation on the issue that he would devote part of his first morning in office to it — and that he would take out his frustrations on an acting Park Service director.
Word rapidly spread through the agency and Washington. The individuals who informed The Washington Post about the call did so on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the conversation.
On Saturday, the same day Trump spoke with Reynolds, the new president used an appearance at CIA headquarters to deliver a blistering attack on the media for reporting that large swaths of the Mall were nearly empty during the event.
“It’s a lie,” Trump said. “We caught [the media]. We caught them in a beauty.”
*snip*
Trump, meanwhile, has continued to press the argument that the media has given a misleading account of the crowds that attended his inauguration.
“I had a massive amount of people here,” the president told ABC News anchor David Muir in an interview Wednesday. “They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering — from certain angles — that were taken early and lots of other things.”
As he guided Muir through the West Wing, Trump paused at a photo on the wall, taken from behind him as he delivered his inaugural address: “Here’s a picture of the event. Here’s a picture of the crowd. Now, the audience was the biggest ever, but this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.”
source
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The disorder
From the Mayo Clinic web site
"Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and other areas of their life, such as work or school.
If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.
At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.
Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.
DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:
Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerating your achievements and talents
Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
Requiring constant admiration
Having a sense of entitlement
Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
Taking advantage of others to get what you want
Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Being envious of others and believing others envy you
Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal and value yourself more than you value others."
source
If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.
At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.
Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.
DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:
Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerating your achievements and talents
Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
Requiring constant admiration
Having a sense of entitlement
Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
Taking advantage of others to get what you want
Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Being envious of others and believing others envy you
Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal and value yourself more than you value others."
source
The Evidence: in part
From The Washington Post
"On the morning after Donald Trump’s inauguration, acting National Park Service director Michael T. Reynolds received an extraordinary summons: The new president wanted to talk to him.
In a Saturday phone call, Trump personally ordered Reynolds to produce additional photographs of the previous day’s crowds on the Mall, according to three individuals who have knowledge of the conversation. The president believed that the photos might prove that the media had lied in reporting that attendance had been no better than average.
Trump also expressed anger over a retweet sent from the agency’s account, in which side-by-side photographs showed far fewer people at his swearing-in than had shown up to see Barack Obama’s inauguration in 2009.
According to one account, Reynolds had been contacted by the White House and given a phone number to call. When he dialed it, he was told to hold for the president.
For Trump, who sees himself and his achievements in superlative terms, the inauguration’s crowd size has been a source of grievance that he appears unable to put behind him. It is a measure of his fixation on the issue that he would devote part of his first morning in office to it — and that he would take out his frustrations on an acting Park Service director.
Word rapidly spread through the agency and Washington. The individuals who informed The Washington Post about the call did so on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the conversation.
On Saturday, the same day Trump spoke with Reynolds, the new president used an appearance at CIA headquarters to deliver a blistering attack on the media for reporting that large swaths of the Mall were nearly empty during the event.
“It’s a lie,” Trump said. “We caught [the media]. We caught them in a beauty.”
Trump, meanwhile, has continued to press the argument that the media has given a misleading account of the crowds that attended his inauguration.
“I had a massive amount of people here,” the president told ABC News anchor David Muir in an interview Wednesday. “They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering — from certain angles — that were taken early and lots of other things.”
As he guided Muir through the West Wing, Trump paused at a photo on the wall, taken from behind him as he delivered his inaugural address: “Here’s a picture of the event. Here’s a picture of the crowd. Now, the audience was the biggest ever, but this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.”
source
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Toten
Member
Evidence... from the Washington Post? The Washington Post is in no way a reliable source for evidence.
Obama wasn't different at all.
Many people thought that because he was black, he'd have new ideas.
But skin color is as they say....only skin deep.
He was anointed by the DNC, & he won by being part of the established power structure.
Trump didn't have that....the RNC disliked him.
He thinks & conducts himself differently from any other president I've seen.
Is this better?
We shall see.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
There is always some justification for claiming this time it is different, and why last time it was not different. Claiming change or claiming to be different is a standard tactic of politicians; one that people love to hear. I am still not sure if Trump is an original thinker or if he just latches onto other people's ideas and just repeats them louder.
But as you said, we'll just have to wait and see.
Judgement is always required.
Obama was no different from Democratic predecessors, other than having less experience.
Trump's campaign readily shows that he is not your father's Republican.
Maybe so, although who is qualified to evaluate Trump's mental state? How can anyone possibly know without being able to talk to him personally?
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
"Trump's campaign readily shows that he is not your father's Republican"
I will believe change when I see. I think Trump reflects what he thinks the people want to hear, and if that is true then we are not really looking at change. We are looking at a voice in America that is actually resistant to change, one that may have fell quite over the years, but now with Trump as their champion, is becoming louder. So not really change, just louder.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
If some thing looks like an elephant and has all the qualities of an elephant it is probably safe to say it is an elephant. So with Trump.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Theresa May played a Trump card when she offered Trump a state vist by invitation of the Queen.
It confirmed every belief in himself he could ever have dreamed about. It even kept him on best behaviour during the following press call.
Some one in Whithall knew exactly which buttons to press.
Diplomacy is about strengths and especially understanding weaknesses.
It confirmed every belief in himself he could ever have dreamed about. It even kept him on best behaviour during the following press call.
Some one in Whithall knew exactly which buttons to press.
Diplomacy is about strengths and especially understanding weaknesses.
I've no problem with your being skeptical of my assessment.
And I too will be watching to see how he turns out.
Oh, I'm not denying that he could be that. A lot of high-powered types like that - billionaires, celebrities, politicians, CEOs, etc. - they all come off a bit full of themselves, arrogant, egotistical - it seems pretty common. But whether or not it actually constitutes some sort of mental disorder, that I can't say.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
I think the main problem here, is his apparent denial that he lost the popular vote, and over the size of his inauguration crowd. It can seem not just egotistical but almost delusional.
In California, it's called a 5150 psychiatric hold. The basic rule is that if someone is in danger of harming themselves or others, the cops can come and take you to the ER or a mental health institution and they can hold you until they think you're okay to leave. It's happened to me before and I live in Ohio.
Not only are you ignorant about mental health sciences but you're also extremely ignorant of history! Quit while you're so behind, man!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Trump has shown such a remarkable amount of ignorance in so many areas that I'm inclined to disagree with your use of "thinker" in regards to him. I'm not trying to be mean about it, but he has continued to say pretty much daily all sorts of preposterous things, including many "alternative facts". His demeanor is like that of a bratty middle-school child, and even many Republicans are now rolling their eyes over his daily ludicrous statements.
This is going to be a l-o-n-g four years, let me tell ya.
That's not what personality disorders entail. Geez, that was a damn stupid and insulting post! Why don't some of you educate yourselves!
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I say he's both. I wouldn't say he's "mad", but he does exhibit the symptoms of NPD. Personality disorders aren't completely untreatable (I most likely have BPD and am currently seeking treatment for that and there are treatments that work for it, such as DBT) but some are definitely more difficult to treat, such as NPD and ASPD because of the narcissistic traits of those particular disorders making the sufferer believe that there's nothing wrong with them and shifting the blame onto others, making them much less likely to seek out treatment in the first place.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Absolutely. They are self fulfilling and self reinforcing. And they love what they are.