But if it was morally ok for Muhammad to do it (the perfect moral role model) then it must be morally ok today, in principle - even though individual governments of men may ban it.
Remember, what Allah has made halal, no man can make haram.
No, it will not be ok today
In Islam, there is something called a social norm. It is totally fine if something that was socially acceptable back then is no acceptable today unless it is something specific like drinking alcohol, eating pork,.....etc. When it comes to the age of marriage, nothing was specified.
Your argument fails here LOL
If the leader during the Revolutionary Wars was 16, and the constitution said that 16 year olds can lead the army, then you would probably find a lot of Americans insisting it is ok.
However, the difference that you (and others) keep missing with such analogies is that unlike anyone else you may refer to, Muhammed is revered as "the best of creation", the ultimate moral and practical role model for all Muslims to aspire to.
The only examples that even come close is in ideological dictatorships where the cult of the personality of people like Mao and Kim Il-Sung were established.
Don't tell me where I am going with this because I didn't make the point
Revolutionary Wars! that was in 1977 right
But, how about today in 2022?
Your "argument" required no response. I'll explain...
"You have been charged with murder, how do you plead?"
"Well, yeh I did it, but there's a bloke down the road who murdered someone as well. Can I go now?"
(Just in case you didn't get it - if Delaware allows 8 year old girls to get married, it is wrong as well.)
"Your "argument" required no response"! However, you responded. Admit it, you can't resist my amazing arguments
However, I never said the Delaware age of marriage was right or wrong. I never said because they are doing it, we can do it too. You seem to be jumping to conclusions.
My point with that was, the age of marriage constantly changed during the centuries, for each time has its own moral values, we don't have the right to tell them you were wrong because we were not there, and we don't really know what happened, or how people lived
Ye gods!
This is not about cultural practices in 7th century Arabia.
It is about the example set by "the best of creation". A person claimed to be the perfect moral role model. Someone who all Muslims aspire to emulate.
If the man who tended Muhammad's date palms has sex with a child, no one would care.
Because he is not a moral role model to 1.7 billion people.
I feel that you are now deliberately ignoring this key issue.
See above.
Again, I don't see anything wrong in what the Prophet did. He did what was done and was accepted at that time. Also, We don't really know how old Aisha was when she got married, but whatever age she was, she was a woman, and the act was acceptable by anyone in Arabia and outside Arabia.
So, please stop saying I ignored your point
You've lost me now.
You claimed that she was older than 6/9.
I asked you for your sources for that claim.
You reply does not address my question in any way.
This is what I said
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Aisha was older than that age when she got married, or, it was totally acceptable to get married in that age with no fault of the Prophet"
So stop saying I said she was 6 or 9.
I asked was he x or y.
You say he was both. That makes no sense.
Is Z the answer?
He was a man, a prophet, who did what was totally acceptable by marrying a woman who reached the age of puberty and was engaged to another man 2 years before that marriage
No. It was ok for anyone to do it in 7th century Arabia because it was not considered unacceptable by the moral standards of the time.
The problem is that because you claim he was "the best of creation", the ultimate role model for all humanity, the perfect moral exemplar, it means that whatever he did then is morally acceptable in principle today, even though it might be against the law in practice.
Muhammad lived by Allah's objective, divine moral standards. Therefore having sex with a 9 year old is objectively morally acceptable in god's eyes, and that cannot change. Do you understand now?
I am sorry, but this is really messed up
You want Muhammed to reject the law and norm that was acceptable in his time, and live by the law and norm of 2022 while he lived 1400 years ago!
Try to squeeze your brain here and see how crazy that sounds
Example.
If the law banned circumcision, would you then accept that circumcision is now morally unacceptable, or would you still think it was morally acceptable in principle, even though you obeyed the law and didn't circumcise your sons?
Your analogy is wrong
You are asking a man who lived 1400 to abide by the law of 2022
regarding circumcision, I will abide by the law of the land while thinking it is wrong
Mohammed didn't do something wrong, for two reasons
1. He didn't come and marry a child in 2022
2. He didn't marry a child at all even at his time. You seem to be taking this issue as a fact. as I sid above, He married a woman who reached the age of puberty and was engaged to another man 2 years before that marriage, and it was totally fine and acceptable
