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Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.
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Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Problem 1# No-one is saying meat eaters are less enlightened, please stop saying this now...
Problem 2# Do not compare man and animals. We are totally different. We have developed into rational and intelligent beings, we can decide what we eat and what sustains us. We have found a meat-free diet is as if not more healthy then a meat rich diet. This however does not suggest meat is bad, both come with their pro's and con's. In my opinion, meat-rich diets come with more con's.
Problem 2# Do not compare man and animals. We are totally different. We have developed into rational and intelligent beings, we can decide what we eat and what sustains us. We have found a meat-free diet is as if not more healthy then a meat rich diet. This however does not suggest meat is bad, both come with their pro's and con's. In my opinion, meat-rich diets come with more con's.
Trey of Diamonds
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Why, and how? Especially physically? I would say there is no physically difference between humans and animals, the differences are mental and spiritual.
Does rational and intelligent beings mean the same as rational and intelligent animals? Is this what separates us from animals? Especially the ability to decide what we eat? Does the ABILITY to choose separate us or does WHAT we choose separate us?
In this contex you are speaking of We as Humans in general. I think you meant We in a Vegetarian contex instead. I don't think humanity has discovered any such thing.
But you have suggested that meat is bad.
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Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Yes we should. That is the beauty of the free will and unique quality of each and every man and woman.
Supergate
Chappa'ko
"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe" - A muslim (Muhamud in the eyes of nonmuslims; post #374)
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Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Problem 1# No-one is saying meat eaters are less enlightened, please stop saying this now...
Yes someone did, go back and read some of the post by Suraj. He does call us less enlightened, and he all said less evolved and uncaring, and unloving.
For something as important as the cow, we can make/find room for as many as possible we seem to accomodate businesses and the transport neede without batting an eyelid, which are detremental to our environment, also all the vegetable matter thrown away by us could be processed into cattle feed.(one idea could be using the cattle that die of old age as pet food)
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No, we shouldn't.
From an environmental standpoint, what we do to sustain our meat-eating ways is pretty atrocious... and I would say immoral too. Additionally, the conditions these animals are kept in is rather inhumane.
However, I personally see nothing immoral with hunting for one's meat, or raising your own meat.
Thus, eating meat in itself is not immoral, but the means by which you get your meat could be.
However, I personally see nothing immoral with hunting for one's meat, or raising your own meat.
Thus, eating meat in itself is not immoral, but the means by which you get your meat could be.
If the meat we ate had lived a long life and was killed humanely, then it probably wouldn't be much of a problem. But the fact that we overproduce, create terrible battery farms and torture animals before we eat them, THAT is the thing that puts me off.
But even if we wanted to, it would be catastrophic if everyone decided not to eat meat. It would cause a huge 'imbalance' in the food chain, as mentioned previously, but mainly, many humans would die due to the climate/poverty/other factors that prevent them from surviving on anything other than, say, the few cattle they breed.
But even if we wanted to, it would be catastrophic if everyone decided not to eat meat. It would cause a huge 'imbalance' in the food chain, as mentioned previously, but mainly, many humans would die due to the climate/poverty/other factors that prevent them from surviving on anything other than, say, the few cattle they breed.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I disagree. I think that people find it easier to grow crops, since they grow faster and can harvest faster than waiting for cattle to fatten and then kill, eat and so on. Many humans could EASILY be sustained on a vegetarian diet, the space we use to grow meat could produce MUCH more vegetarian food.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Trey, i am a terrible quoter on the forum, i have never got the thing, so i am working in order of your replies
Precisely what i meant, mentally we are entirely different, maybe i should have mentioned that... Mentally and spiritually we are different. Man has learnt to decide what sustains and the benefits of it. I say Man but i do not mean all humans. But i think many do understand.
It is the ability that seperates us. Even animals sometimes choose WHAT to do sometimes, but it is not an ability that can e used freely, it is almost like animals are programmed to an extent, most are very limited. Of course there are some animals that are different to the rest.
I was talking about Man in general, but i a bad generalisation. Because i think there are meat eaters and vegetarians alike who believe that a meat-free diet is better than a diet full of meat. Maybe humanity in general hasn't found that, maybe some men have. I do not know, but maybe
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Well, that was wrong and I do not share that view at all.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Ok then.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Trey, i am a terrible quoter on the forum, i have never got the thing, so i am working in order of your replies
No worries, thanks for the clarifications. I have a poll in the General Debates section of Everything But the Kitchen Sink that has to do with Hunters, Carnivores and Vegetarians so check it out and vote.