Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.

[Azakel]

Well, that was wrong and I do not share that view at all.

I know you don't share that few, because you're smarter then him, and nicer too.

 

[zenzero]

Friend want to be hindu,

Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.
How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh ?

Yes, one can be compassionate even he eats meat and slowly by and by this very compassion will lead himself to dropping the eating of flesh. It is bound to happen but any attachments takes time to drop.
Love & rgds

 

[Supergate]

Friend want to be hindu,



Yes, one can be compassionate even he eats meat and slowly by and by this very compassion will lead himself to dropping the eating of flesh. It is bound to happen but any attachments takes time to drop.
Love & rgds

As compasionate as Hitler who was vegetarian. his maid said he was a nice guy.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I know you don't share that few, because you're smarter then him, and nicer too.

Nicer, i agree, but he is a very smart guy...

 

[methylatedghosts]

I disagree. I think that people find it easier to grow crops, since they grow faster and can harvest faster than waiting for cattle to fatten and then kill, eat and so on. Many humans could EASILY be sustained on a vegetarian diet, the space we use to grow meat could produce MUCH more vegetarian food.

Absolutely correct.

And the only result of everyone switching to a vege diet would bethat the last herds of beef cattle would be killed and eaten until their numbers reduced to a more manageable amount, and the beef farms would switch to sheep or dairy farming, or even perhaps crop farming. All other cattle would stay as dairy cattle.

Only thing is that beef cattle have been selectively bred for beef rather than milk quality/amount, so they'd be useless to a dairy farmer. And there'd be too many to simply set free, so they'd need to be eaten, I think. Or made into pet food.

Side note: meat will go off much faster than veges etc, so vege's would be the way to go to cure hunger problems.

 

[Falvlun]

And the only result of everyone switching to a vege diet would bethat the last herds of beef cattle would be killed and eaten until their numbers reduced to a more manageable amount, and the beef farms would switch to sheep or dairy farming, or even perhaps crop farming. All other cattle would stay as dairy cattle.

Except that diary cows are generally worse off than beef cattle. They are generally more confined, with dirtier housing, and with the added strain of having to produce all that milk, unnaturally.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Except that diary cows are generally worse off than beef cattle. They are generally more confined, with dirtier housing, and with the added strain of having to produce all that milk, unnaturally.

Better than being eaten by a fat kid at McDonalds, dont you think?

Besides i do not believe that... Some family have dairy cattle they have plenty of land to roam around.

 

[methylatedghosts]

Except that diary cows are generally worse off than beef cattle. They are generally more confined, with dirtier housing, and with the added strain of having to produce all that milk, unnaturally.

Not really, not on the dairy farm I live on.

And I've lived on 4 different dairy farms in my 22 years, and worked on... oh, about 15-20 different ones.

So, I disagree

 

[Valjean]

Don Peng, you do realise that after a few years, as soon as the milk yield begins to decrease, Bossie's replaced by her daughter and ends up at McD's anyway? And where do you think her son/s end up?

 

[methylatedghosts]

Don Peng, you do realise that after a few years, as soon as the milk yield begins to decrease, Bossie's replaced by her daughter and ends up at McD's anyway? And where do you think her son/s end up?

That meat isn't as fit for eating, and is more likely to go to the petfood meatworks. (though I don't imagine McD's will care ) It ends up being rather tough and stringy, not at all pleasant to eat.

 

[Falvlun]

Better than being eaten by a fat kid at McDonalds, dont you think?

Dairy cow lives are rather short due to the large strain placed on their system to produce nearly 10 times the natural amount of milk. A cow can live 15-20 years; a dairy cow lives only around 5 years. When milk production begins to decline, the cow is sent, yup, to the slaughter house. (Generally for pet food and less "choice" meat products). Additionally, to keep them producing milk, the cows are made pregnant every year, and then separated from their babies, with whom the cow would have normally have developed a close bond. The calves, if male, are often raised for veal. So, basically, they are tortured first, and then they still have to feed the fat kid.

Besides i do not believe that... Some family have dairy cattle they have plenty of land to roam around.

Well, if it is a small family owned operation I'd believe that. I find nothing wrong with raising one's own meat/dairy. It tends to be more humane and less wasteful.

Not really, not on the dairy farm I live on.

And I've lived on 4 different dairy farms in my 22 years, and worked on... oh, about 15-20 different ones.

So, I disagree

My statement was also based on personal experience and observation. From what I have seen and read, it seems like dairy cows definitely get the short end of the stick. Certainly, you could have had different experiences, and I am glad not all farms are horrid.

 

[Yerda]

I think so, yes.

How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh ?

Not all of us can get by on a vegetarian diet. If "fatten" in this context means the meat is unnecessary then I think this rhetoric has merit.

 

[nameless]

Think about this: rabbits breed like crazy. Why? Because they are the main food source for many animals. What if those animals were to stop eating rabbits? The rabbit population would grow too large and they'll end up eating up more food than nature can keep up with producing. It's a similar scenario for humans.


Even in India, the fact that they refuse to eat cows is a problem. Cow dung in the streets has actually become a health hazard in India. See the imbalance causing problems?

Upsetting the food chain can have dire consequences. If all human beings stopped eating animals, the animal populations would increase at an incredible rate.

What about stray dogs, no animal is eating these dogs, and their number is increasing day by day causing inbalance in nature. Why dont you people come and eat up all these stray dogs?

 

[nameless]

We are at the top of the food chain for a reason. There must be a balance to life, and part of that balance is life and death. That life and death isn't just limited to human beings, but to all life.

Think about this: rabbits breed like crazy. Why? Because they are the main food source for many animals. What if those animals were to stop eating rabbits? The rabbit population would grow too large and they'll end up eating up more food than nature can keep up with producing. It's a similar scenario for humans.

DISCLAIMER: I am not criticizing India, Hinduism, or their way of life in any way (I live Hinduism)


Upsetting the food chain can have dire consequences. If all human beings stopped eating animals, the animal populations would increase at an incredible rate.

I could go on with how human beings have already upset the balance by BEING at the top of the food chain, but that's unrelated to the topic, haha.

Human species is the one which i think to be orginated finally in this world. So I like to know how did the food chain worked so comfortably before the arrival of humans?

Even in India, the fact that they refuse to eat cows is a problem. Cow dung in the streets has actually become a health hazard in India. See the imbalance causing problems?

There is no such problem in India as you argue. Refusal to eat cows is to be encouraged as we get cowdungs which could be used as a source of fuel.
It is well known that energy sources are running out.

 

[nameless]

From a personal view, no - eating meat is no more or less moral than eating green things.

As long as, along with everything else, it's in moderation...

Too much meat is unhealthy, just like too much water is unhealthy.

Living on a dairy farm for most of my life (18 of my 22 years), meat has been a fairly large portion of my diet.

Is it moral to eat meat of Humans? Expecting reply from Omnivorus people.

 

[tomspug]

How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh ?

The Hindu scripture Tirukural Verse 251

The word "fatten" is being used irresponsibly here. First of all, people don't eat animals to FATTEN themselves. They eat animals to NOURISH themselves. Is the lion a villain and the cow a hero, simply because their bodies REQUIRE one to eat meat and the other grass?

We as humans HAPPEN to be omnivores, but it turns out that our bodies need lots of protein. The only way a human can become a vegetarian and maintain a healthy protein level is through science or commerce. In other words, it is unnatural for a human to not eat meat. There's nothing wrong with this, but it is worth noting that vegetarianism is not natural for humans. It is not, as you imply, that humans ONLY eat meat out of some lust for fatness and power over nature.

I feel that it is incredibly important to respect animals, especially when we eat them. Killing an animal for food should be humane. Genetically altering animals for food purposes is also wrong, in my opinion.

Look at the Native Americans. They, in my opinion, are the perfect example of a compassionate carnivore. They kill only out of need. They avoided waste. They were respectful towards nature, considering themselves blessed to be allowed to eat its "fruit".

Finally, I ask, what's so special about animals? What about the plants? They're alive too, you know. We grow them in massive, unnatural quantities and 'harvest' them to FATTEN OUR BELLIES. How inhumane.

 

[nameless]

Upsetting the food chain can have dire consequences. If all human beings stopped eating animals, the animal populations would increase at an incredible rate.

Ha Ha, happy to see that you people are so much concerned about ecological balance,. But what about other environmental problems?

 

[UnTheist]

Is it moral to eat meat of Humans?

How does this question help your argument?

 

[UnTheist]

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The only way a human can become a vegetarian and maintain a healthy protein level is through science or commerce. In other words, it is unnatural for a human to not eat meat. There's nothing wrong with this, but it is worth noting that vegetarianism is not natural for humans.

Beans, nuts, eggs and milk contain protein, and some vegetables contain significant amounts of protein. So I think you're in the wrong here.

 

[tomspug]

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You're wrong. Beans and nuts contain a lot of protein, and many other vegetables contain significant amounts of protein. The only problem is that a single type of vegetable won't contain all essential amino acids, so you need to have a lot more variety in your diet.

Is it physically possible, then, to achieve this variety without the use of commerce?