Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.

[nameless]

Can't we just respectfully disagree?

Nameless, obviously you feel that you are justified in equating animal consumption as "murder".
UnTheist, you only consider murder to be a term applied 'inter-species'.

This debate will not end with this thread. I think that we understand both sides of the argument and I HOPE that we can refrain from feeling the need to 'convert' or 'humiliate' the other.

So, you want me to leave this topic?

 

[nameless]

Yes, they are both eating meat. That doesn't mean they're the same.

Why they are not the same?

If a canibal kill and eat up a human, will you justify his action?

It is true that killing human is not allowed, but in this case canibal is not asking permission of anybody, so will you blame canibal for his action?
Common people wont justify this, I need opinion of yours, not the public opinion. Once more reminding, I need opinion of YOURS.

 

[nameless]

But it isn't murder.

Because Humans won't allow for it [the killing of other Humans].

Humans wont allow, but whats your opinion, will you allow that?

 

[Storm]

So, any time you kill something for food, it's murder? So how do you justify killing all those poor, innocent plants?

 

[Father Heathen]

If you think eating meat is either immoral or unnatural, take a pair of pliers and rip the canines and incisors out of your face.

 

[nameless]

So, any time you kill something for food, it's murder? So how do you justify killing all those poor, innocent plants?

For one to feel pain, he need pain impulses, brain and nervous system. Is it scientifically proved that plants contain all these three?

In the case of animals, it feels pain while it is killed, the case is different of that of plants and animals.

SO, WE VEGGE PEOPLE LIKES TO GAIN NOTHING BY HURTING OTHER LIVING BEING.

 

[Storm]

For one to feel pain, he need pain impulses, brain and nervous system.

Now, how do you know that? I think you just assume to make yourself feel better about murdering defenseless creatures. You've constructed this happy little fairytale where the plants are happy to die for you.

 

[nameless]

If you think eating meat is either immoral or unnatural, take a pair of pliers and rip the canines and incisors out of your face.

You are very much lucky as this is a religeous forum.

 

[nameless]

Now, how do you know that? I think you just assume to make yourself feel better about murdering defenseless creatures. You've constructed this happy little fairytale where the plants are happy to die for you.

YOU BELIEVE SCIENCE TO BE FAIRY TALE?
Scientifically proven that pain is caused due to pain impulses with the help of brain and nervous systems. YOU DONT ACCEPT THIS THEORY?

When i take plants as my food, the plants did not feel any pain.
Thats all i need, no one must get pain due to me.
I believe in science, so i take plants as my food.

 

[Storm]

Scientifically proven that pain is caused due to pain impulses with the help of brain and nervous systems. YOU DONT ACCEPT THIS THEORY?

Yes, I do accept that that's how pain functions IN ANIMALS. I do not accept your delusional theory that it's the only way pain can be felt, which is nothing more than self-justification.

When i take plants as my food, the plants did not feel any pain.
Thats all i need, no one must get pain due to me.
I believe in science, so i take plants as my food.

No, you don't. Science shows that plants have their own kind of stress when damaged. They feel pain, they just don't use the same system for it.

It's simple reality that we have to kill to eat. Either it's murder all the time, or it isn't murder at all. To say that my food is murder while yours is fine is blatant hypocrisy.

 

[Storm]

YOU BELIEVE SCIENCE TO BE FAIRY TALE?

What you're doing isn't science, it's hyperbolic hypocrisy.

 

[nameless]

What you're doing isn't science, it's hyperbolic hypocrisy.

I am saying plants do not feel any pain, you dont accept this?

 

[Storm]

No, I don't, because it contradicts science. Or, at a minimum, jumps to conclusions not reached by science.

 

[Father Heathen]

You are very much lucky as this is a religeous forum.

Care to explain?

Animals preying upon and consuming each others flesh is a common and natural occurrence, and Humans are natural omnivores, so what's the problem?

 

[nameless]

No, I don't, because it contradicts science. Or, at a minimum, jumps to conclusions not reached by science.

Science was able to find pain pulses, brain and nervous system in animals and but not in plants. So what is the conclusion?

Science have even found minute bacterias in plants, but not brain and all, still we need to wait to make conclusion?
According to you, conclusion can be made only when these three are found in plants.
And if plants do not have those three, how long must science wait to make a conclusion?

 

[nameless]

Care to explain?

Animals preying upon and consuming each others flesh is a common and natural occurrence, and Humans are natural omnivores, so what's the problem?

I cannot agree with that, Carnivorous animals cannot survive without flesh, so it is doing prey, nothing wrong in that, but we humans can comfortably survive without flesh.

All carnivorous animals eat flesh, but not all humans eat flesh. If it was natural, all humans must have eating the flesh, but it is natural to animals.

 

[Storm]

Scientist Prove Plants Feel Pain, Vegans Face Starvation

"Veggies and plants initiate a massive hormone and chemical barrage internally when they suffer any kind of injury," says professor Barry Lindzer. "This response is akin to the nerve response and endorphin release when an animal is injured. We cannot ignore the similarities."
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Is there a reason you ignored this post?

Scientifically proven that pain is caused due to pain impulses with the help of brain and nervous systems. YOU DONT ACCEPT THIS THEORY?

Yes, I do accept that that's how pain functions IN ANIMALS. I do not accept your delusional theory that it's the only way pain can be felt, which is nothing more than self-justification.

When i take plants as my food, the plants did not feel any pain.
Thats all i need, no one must get pain due to me.
I believe in science, so i take plants as my food.

No, you don't. Science shows that plants have their own kind of stress when damaged. They feel pain, they just don't use the same system for it.

It's simple reality that we have to kill to eat. Either it's murder all the time, or it isn't murder at all. To say that my food is murder while yours is fine is blatant hypocrisy.

Could it be because you have no rebuttal?

 

[Father Heathen]

I cannot agree with that, Carnivorous animals cannot survive without flesh, so it is doing prey, nothing wrong in that, but we humans can comfortably survive without flesh.

All carnivorous animals eat flesh, but not all humans eat flesh. If it was natural, all humans must have eating the flesh, but it is natural to animals.

If eating meat is immoral, then I have no problem with accepting and living with being an evil *******.

 

[Storm]

Science was able to find pain pulses, brain and nervous system in animals and but not in plants.

Incorrect. See post #277.

So what is the conclusion?

If one is honest, as opposed to desperately seeking to justify hypocrisy, the conclusion is that it is no more immoral to eat animals than it is plants.

According to you, conclusion can be made only when these three are found in plants.

I said no such thing. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Hyperborean]

In a religious context, vegetarianism is not moral.

If God created the world for Man, then all things, except what God has prohibited are lawful to consume. Humans cannot make forbidden what God made lawful.

The only reason to eat a vegetarian diet is for healh concerns.