Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.

[Father Heathen]

In a religious context, vegetarianism is not moral.

If God created the world for Man, then all things, except what God has prohibited are lawful to consume. Humans cannot make forbidden what God made lawful.

The only reason to eat a vegetarian diet is for healh concerns.

You mean in an Islamic context (which is only relevant to Muslims). Not all religions hold the same views.

 

[Storm]

"I was just thinking about the life of a pumpkin. Grow up in the sun, happily entwined with others, and then someone comes along, cuts you open, and rips your guts out." ~ Buffy, from Fear, Itself

Murder! Murder! Oh, the humanity!

 

[methylatedghosts]

Is it moral to eat meat of Humans? Expecting reply from Omnivorus people.

It's neither moral or immoral. There are cases where eating human flesh is completely justified, and cases where it is not. Not as black and white as you assume.

 

[Falvlun]

nameless, the plants-may-feel-something-akin-to-pain debate aside, I assume you must be a vegan, meaning you refuse to eat dairy and eggs as well. Do you know what they do to those chickens?

 

[nameless]

nameless, the plants-may-feel-something-akin-to-pain debate aside, I assume you must be a vegan, meaning you refuse to eat dairy and eggs as well. Do you know what they do to those chickens?

You are wrong i consume dairy but not eggs and meat.

 

[nameless]

It's neither moral or immoral. There are cases where eating human flesh is completely justified, and cases where it is not. Not as black and white as you assume.

can u pls explain in what cases eating human meat is not justified.

 

[Falvlun]

You are wrong i consume dairy but not eggs and meat.

Interesting. You are being inconsistent with your stance then:

In the case of animals, it feels pain while it is killed, the case is different of that of plants and animals.

SO, WE VEGGE PEOPLE LIKES TO GAIN NOTHING BY HURTING OTHER LIVING BEING.

When i take plants as my food, the plants did not feel any pain. Thats all i need, no one must get pain due to me.

You claim that nothing is hurt by what you eat, and that you would not cause something pain to sustain yourself.

The dairy industry is not much better, if not worse, than the meat industry. Read my post at the top of page 24. These animals live rough, short lives in order to give you milk and cheese. If you truly wanted to cause nothing pain in order to gain your sustenance, you would forego dairy as well as meat.

However, I do believe there is a way to eat both meat and dairy without causing pain: by hunting or raising one's own meat, eggs, and dairy. Animals live exponentially better lives when a part of a small family operation than as a cog in the factory method. Hunting is even better, as the animal is allowed to live a normal life, until death at the hands of a predator, also natural.

The actual point of death need not be painful. A gunshot to the head would kill instantly, with no chance of a pain impulse. If the animal is not killed instantly, it is killed swiftly after, in a much less painful way than it would have been killed in the wild.

Do you also disagree with this method of gaining one's meat?

 

[Falvlun]

If you think eating meat is either immoral or unnatural, take a pair of pliers and rip the canines and incisors out of your face.

You are very much lucky as this is a religeous forum.

You missed the point of the post in finding the insult. The presence of incisors and canine teeth indicates that naturally, we are meat-eaters. The presence of molars indicates that we are veggie-eaters. The presence of both indicates that we are omnivores.

Bears are omnivores too. Would you suggest that they forgo meat simply because they could get by on only the right assortment of vegetables? It is as unnatural for us to forgo meat as it is for the bear to forgo meat. I see no wrong in being a vegetarian; but I also see no wrong in being an omnivore.

can u pls explain in what cases eating human meat is not justified.

It is not justified to kill a person in order to eat his flesh. That would be murder, and murder is wrong.
It is not justified to eat a dead person in normal circumstances, unless the person indicates before he dies that he does not mind you eating him.

In extenuating circumstances involving starvation, I would think it is justified to eat the dead person whether he gave you the ok or not. After all, he is dead.

 

[Eddy Daze]

Those were bastardizations of Darwinism, twisting the words. The people who did that had convince themselves of those things in order to justify it. I don't view animals as below me, but I still eat them. Those don't have to go hand in hand. We are equals, just living different paths in different bodies. Not all meat eaters view animals as lower. Lower on the food chain maybe, but not lower as beings. Hate has nothing to do with eating animals.

Its simply to try and satisfy the tastebuds.

unless we depended on them for survival that would be a different matter, but then we would have to make the distinction of higher and lower animals, which one deserves not to be eaten, in the Hindu religion they choose practically because of all the foodstuffs that can be made from cows milk, they do not kill.

 

[methylatedghosts]

can u pls explain in what cases eating human meat is not justified.

When you have a feast set out in front of you and you turn to the person sitting next to you and take a bite out of his arm and proceed to eat that instead.

 

[nameless]

When you have a feast set out in front of you and you turn to the person sitting next to you and take a bite out of his arm and proceed to eat that instead.

I am vegan lol, im asking to those who are omnivores who does not accept cannibalism, im not a flesh eater like omnivorous.

 

[Storm]

I thought you said you eat eggs and dairy. That's not vegan. Vegans eat no animal products, no even honey.

 

[Father Heathen]

no even honey.

Whaaaat? I can sort of understand where they're coming from when it comes to animals that can feel physical pain and emotional distress, but to worry about insects is just silly. I mean, what about all of the microbes on the vegetables they eat? They're animals, and will be killed by the stomach acids. Where is the line drawn, and why?

 

[Falvlun]

I am vegan lol, im asking to those who are omnivores who does not accept cannibalism, im not a flesh eater like omnivorous.

Go back to page 29 and read the posts on that page; I give an answer to your cannibalism question.

PS.
You can't be vegan if you eat dairy. You are just a vegetarian.

 

[nameless]

Go back to page 29 and read the posts on that page; I give an answer to your cannibalism question.

PS.
You can't be vegan if you eat dairy. You are just a vegetarian.

Oh, sorry, I thought vegans and vegetarian are the same. I am a vegetarian, and I believe no problem in consuming dairy, even we are not consuming their meat.

 

[nameless]

Whaaaat? I can sort of understand where they're coming from when it comes to animals that can feel physical pain and emotional distress, but to worry about insects is just silly. I mean, what about all of the microbes on the vegetables they eat? They're animals, and will be killed by the stomach acids. Where is the line drawn, and why?

Thats not possible my friend, even when we walk, there are killed millions of microbes, and the same is when we lie on bed, we sit on chair and even if we fly in air. To save life of microbes we need to leave this planet earth, because microbes are everywhere, in ground, water, air. Its not possible for us to live, when the life of microbes are considered.

 

[methylatedghosts]

I am vegan lol, im asking to those who are omnivores who does not accept cannibalism, im not a flesh eater like omnivorous.

eh? I answered your question didn't I?

Eating human flesh is not justified when you have a feast set out in front of you and you take a bite out of the person next to you.

I would say that it IS justified, however, if you were to, for example, have a plane crash, several dead friends, and no-one's found you even a week after you've eaten all the supplies in the aircraft, and you have nothing else to eat, not knowing the plants in the jungle and which are or are not safe to eat.

 

[Father Heathen]

Thats not possible my friend, even when we walk, there are killed millions of microbes, and the same is when we lie on bed, we sit on chair and even if we fly in air. To save life of microbes we need to leave this planet earth, because microbes are everywhere, in ground, water, air. Its not possible for us to live, when the life of microbes are considered.

So what separates microbes from insects on the do-not-kill-or-eat scale? Insects are practically just organic robots. They're not self aware or have the capacity to care about getting consumed, so what's the issue with eating them or stuff they produce (like honey, which is pretty much just bee vomit)?

 

[nameless]

So what separates microbes from insects on the do-not-kill-or-eat scale? Insects are practically just organic robots. They're not self aware or have the capacity to care about getting consumed, so what's the issue with eating them or stuff they produce (like honey, which is pretty much just bee vomit)?

To my knowledge, honey is formed in plants, and what honey bee does is that it collects honey from the flowers and is stocked in hive, that wont make honey a non veg food.

 

[nameless]

eh? I answered your question didn't I?

Eating human flesh is not justified when you have a feast set out in front of you and you take a bite out of the person next to you.

The same thing applies to you ominvorous people, how can you justify killing of animals and eat meat when you can live much healthy by consuming vegetable foods.
If you can do such you can save the life of innocent animals.
I can understand if you kill animals, if there is scarcity of availablity of vegetables, but this is not the case now.