Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.

[Azakel]

The same thing applies to you ominvorous people, how can you justify killing of animals and eat meat when you can live much healthy by consuming vegetable foods.

I can justify it because I can just live off Vegetable food. That's the thing most of you aren't getting, not everyone can survive on just vegies, we need the meat.

 

[Falvlun]

nameless, You completely ignored my assertion that the consumption of dairy causes pain. You claimed that you don't want to cause anything pain in order to sustain you, when what you actually mean is you don't want to cause death.

Death is relatively painless, as long as it is done swiftly and humanely.

 

[nameless]

nameless, You completely ignored my assertion that the consumption of dairy causes pain. You claimed that you don't want to cause anything pain in order to sustain you, when what you actually mean is you don't want to cause death.

Death is relatively painless, as long as it is done swiftly and humanely.

Consuming dairies cause pain? how?

 

[Falvlun]

Consuming dairies cause pain? how?

I'll quote myself, since I tried to direct you to this post earlier and you still missed it:

Dairy cow lives are rather short due to the large strain placed on their system to produce nearly 10 times the natural amount of milk. A cow can live 15-20 years; a dairy cow lives only around 5 years. When milk production begins to decline, the cow is sent, yup, to the slaughter house. (Generally for pet food and less "choice" meat products). Additionally, to keep them producing milk, the cows are made pregnant every year, and then separated from their babies, with whom the cow would have normally have developed a close bond. The calves, if male, are often raised for veal. So, basically, they are tortured first, and then they still have to feed the fat kid.

 

[nameless]

Falvlun, Do you think eating meat of animals can be justified as we use their dairy?

 

[Falvlun]

Do you think eating meat of animals can be justified as we use their dairy?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that if your reason for not eating meat is that you do not want to cause pain, then you can not justify consuming dairy or egg products either.

As I've said before, my caveat to this is if you hunt or raise your own meat, dairy, and eggs, since this removes much of the stress the factory style of meat and dairy production produces.

 

[nameless]

Dairy cow lives are rather short due to the large strain placed on their system to produce nearly 10 times the natural amount of milk. A cow can live 15-20 years; a dairy cow lives only around 5 years. When milk production begins to decline, the cow is sent, yup, to the slaughter house. (Generally for pet food and less "choice" meat products). Additionally, to keep them producing milk, the cows are made pregnant every year, and then separated from their babies, with whom the cow would have normally have developed a close bond. The calves, if male, are often raised for veal. So, basically, they are tortured first, and then they still have to feed the fat kid.:

So, are you saying we must never use dairy of cow? And we get dairy only if they are strained?

Cows are short lived if only they are strained, it is not necessary to strain the cows to get dairy. They are strained because to produce milk more than they naturally can.

We can also get milk without straining them, allowing them to give which they naturally can, so in that way how it would cause pain to cow?
And how can we know that the milk we get is of strained cow or unstrained cow?

 

[UnTheist]

But if you drink milk then you're not vegan.

 

[nameless]

But if you drink milk then you're not vegan.

I already admitted that im not vegan, infact im a vegetarian.

 

[Eddy Daze]

Properly reared cattle

Quotes Archive - Srila Prabhupada on Cow Protection


I have been veggie for over ten years heart disease and ulcers run in the family all the males have them and one sister, lost parents and brother in early thirties to it others have had ops (only I alone do not suffer with this) and people when guessing my age guess at about ten years younger than it actualy is.I eat lots of cheese also.

 

[Falvlun]

So, are you saying we must never use dairy of cow? And we get dairy only if they are strained?

Cows are short lived if only they are strained, it is not necessary to strain the cows to get dairy. They are strained because to produce milk more than they naturally can.

We can also get milk without straining them, allowing them to give which they naturally can, so in that way how it would cause pain to cow?
And how can we know that the milk we get is of strained cow or unstrained cow?

Dude, that's exactly what I've been saying.

If you raise your own meat and dairy, then there is a lot less likelihood of those animals being stressed or tortured. You can raise them in a way to get the nutrients you need without causing them pain.

I know my solution is a bit utopic, since it is not possible for everyone to raise their own cows.

To reiterate, it is not the eating of flesh or dairy that I find wrong; it is the method by which we get these things that I do find morally suspect.

EDIT:
Generally, buying locally or from companies based in your area might be a way to find out how your dairy cows are being treated. You could actually go visit the farm where the milk is coming from. But, then again, I live in the midwest, so this might not be an option for people in areas without a robust dairy industry.

 

[nameless]

Dude, that's exactly what I've been saying.

EDIT:
Generally, buying locally or from companies based in your area might be a way to find out how your dairy cows are being treated. You could actually go visit the farm where the milk is coming from. But, then again, I live in the midwest, so this might not be an option for people in areas without a robust dairy industry.

Im from a country where there is a plenty of cow, and no scarcity for milk, and no chance for cows are being strained for extra milk, and more than that cows are treated as mother.

 

[methylatedghosts]

The same thing applies to you ominvorous people, how can you justify killing of animals and eat meat when you can live much healthy by consuming vegetable foods.
If you can do such you can save the life of innocent animals.
I can understand if you kill animals, if there is scarcity of availablity of vegetables, but this is not the case now.

"you omnivorous people"... you're a part of the human species no? We're ALL omnivores whether we like it or not

I eat meat because I'm an omnivore. I don't eat all that much - maybe about 200-300g per week or so, if that. It's another way of getting the nutrients we need.

 

[nameless]

"you omnivorous people"... you're a part of the human species no? We're ALL omnivores whether we like it or not

I eat meat because I'm an omnivore. I don't eat all that much - maybe about 200-300g per week or so, if that. It's another way of getting the nutrients we need.

Oh great, im an omnivorous?

Is it possible to be as omnivorous and vegetarian at same moment?

 

[Jose Fly]

From an anatomical standpoint, we are most certainly omnivorous. We do not have the dental nor digestive structures typical of obligate herbivores or obligate carnivores.

 

[methylatedghosts]

The human species is classed as "omnivore" because we eat both meat and plants.

Whether you choose to not eat meat doesn't stop you from being an omnivore.

But a "vegetarian" is simply a "person who chooses to not eat meat"

To illustrate one example -

We have both canines and molars. Canines are used to tear meat, they're not very helpful for plant tissue. Molars are more suited to grinding plants. If you can, compare the teeth of a dog or cat, and that of, a herbivore like a rabbit, or cow. You'll notice we're somewhere in between.

 

[Storm]

Yep. Omnivorous is a biological distinction. Vegetarianism is behavioral. You're an omnivore, like it or not.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

In a religious context, vegetarianism is not moral.

If God created the world for Man, then all things, except what God has prohibited are lawful to consume. Humans cannot make forbidden what God made lawful.

The only reason to eat a vegetarian diet is for healh concerns.

That is quite stupid really. There are some who do not want animals to die just for their dinner.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

We have the ability to consume and digest meat. That makes us omnivores. That does not nessacarily make it the right or wrong descison.

 

[methylatedghosts]

Exactly. I don't think eating meat or not is a moral decision - I think it's just one of personal preference