Is Vegetarianism integral to a moral life.

[UnTheist]

Dude, meat is murder.










Tasty tasty murder.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

As far as i know, Meth is not doing it to sell the meat. So the point stands. I do not live in the US, therefore i do not know of the conditions there, as i would not expect you to understand the conditions here (not like most Americans would...)

You just love throwing the generalities out don't you? Yes I'm an American currently living in America. But I spent many years in the Middle East and Central Asia while growing up and later working. So don't give me this "not like most Americans would" BS. You may have been speaking to Meth but you certianly made is sound as though you think all meat eaters enjoy killing furry little bunnies. You are speaking from a place of hatred and that only breeds more hatred, no matter what you eat.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

You just love throwing the generalities out don't you? Yes I'm an American currently living in America. But I spent many years in the Middle East and Central Asia while growing up and later working. So don't give me this "not like most Americans would" BS. You may have been speaking to Meth but you certianly made is sound as though you think all meat eaters enjoy killing furry little bunnies. You are speaking from a place of hatred and that only breeds more hatred, no matter what you eat.

OH NO!!! Meat eaters were mostly born eating meat. They have grown to love the stuff, they cannot live without it general... I get that, and i understand, just the same way i cannot start eating meat.

One American guy here was trying to tell me that i shouldnt call my freinds "mates" because it means your life partner (or something like that) Then i tried to reason, by saying it is just what we say here in the UK. He was pretty dumbfounded that English people thought for themselves. Not to mention most Americans i have ever talked to think i am either cockney or posh.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

OH NO!!! Meat eaters were mostly born eating meat. They have grown to love the stuff, they cannot live without it general... I get that, and i understand, just the same way i cannot start eating meat.

One American guy here was trying to tell me that i shouldnt call my freinds "mates" because it means your life partner (or something like that) Then i tried to reason, by saying it is just what we say here in the UK. He was pretty dumbfounded that English people thought for themselves. Not to mention most Americans i have ever talked to think i am either cockney or posh.

And so you fall into the trap of acting exactly like they do. How did you feel about the people who made those mistakes? How do you feel now that you have made the same mistakes? The world is a huge wonderous place and it is important to not only ignore those too blind to see it but to not become one of them as well.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

And so you fall into the trap of acting exactly like they do. How did you feel about the people who made those mistakes? How do you feel now that you have made the same mistakes? The world is a huge wonderous place and it is important to not only ignore those too blind to see it but to not become one of them as well.

Ha? i say this from experience. What do they say it from? TV.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Ha? i say this from experience. What do they say it from? TV.

So, your experience tells you I know nothing about what it's like in the UK? The fact that I have been there and spent years working and growing up with British citizens since I was 10 years old means absolutely nothing I suppose? You are making assumptions about who I am and what I know without knowing anything at all about me.

 

[S-word]

How can he practice true compassion who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh ?

The Hindu scripture Tirukural Verse 251

Yea, Cain thought the same thing, he followed the literal command of God, Genesis 1: 29, "I have provided all kinds of grain and all kinds of fruit for you to eat." God did not say that he was not to eat meat, but his brother Abel who became a shepheard saw that nature allowed for the eating of meat which he did, and knowing the best and most tasty portions of his domisticated animals, he offered them to God as his sacrifice which was pleasing to the Lord.

It was not the meat that was God's sourse of pleasure, but the mind that was Abel, who was able to evolve by taking in the information from the world around himself, which is the physical representation of the invisible mind that is God; because of this, Cain who remained obedient to the literal command of God and saw the meat eater as a sinner, killed his brother Abel.

 

[UnityNow101]

I recommend the vegetarian lifestyle, yet understand that life always feeds off of life, no matter how hard we try to step away from this fact~

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I recommend the vegetarian lifestyle, yet understand that life always feeds off of life, no matter how hard we try to step away from this fact~

I admire anyone who can make the choice to become vegetarian and would recommend it to anyone considering it. The vegetarians I know are all the very best of people and I admit to being somewhat surprised at the some of the accusations being tossed around on this thread.

• Meat eaters are morally inferior.
• Meat eaters are murderers.
• Meat eaters eat meat because the get pleasure from the pain of animals.
• Hunters only hunt because the enjoy the pain of the creatures they kill.

Absolutely no attempt to understand any of the underlying reasons for humanity being a meat eater, only passive aggressive attacks meant to belittle and humiliate a group of people who believe differently.

Note, I'm not talking about all the vegetarians who have posted here, only those who fit the statements above, you know who you are. Remember intolerance and hatred are the enemy, we must combat them in ourselves as well as others.

 

[methylatedghosts]

Ok Meth, first ever disagreement between you and I.

Personally, i could never bring myself to simply waste that sort of life. Why waste a perfectly innocent little life? How would you like getting shot and bleeding to death just for fun?

Stupid as it may sound, rabbits/hares have children. The children depend on their mothers (maybe even fathers?) to get them food and teach them essential life skills.

It is not up to us to just end a life because it might be fun. It is not fair, they have a right to live a life just like us.

While you are right in your following post, I do not sell the meat. But I feed the dog, yet that's not the main reason I shoot them.

Here, rabbits and hares are pests, and are rather unhelpful on the farm. While cows, like other grazing animals, graze the grass and leave a portion of the stalk so the grass may continue to grow, these animals eat it right down so it can't grow again. They also tunnel into the ground, causing our cows at times to break their legs when the tunnels collapse.

Same with possums, ferrets stoats and rats. All these pests were introduced when Europeans came to NZ, and are devastating to an ecosystem that has, firstly, no natural predators of these types, and secondly, no natural predators to keep these animal populations in check. They've devastated the populations of our flightless (and rather defenceless) native birds, one of which (the Takahe, I believe) was thought extinct, and the rest have been extraordinarily lucky to not have been wiped out.

So, sure, while these pests may have an "equal right" to live, so do our native flora and fauna. Ferrets, stoats, possums, rabbits, hares, rats... they have well established populations elsewhere in the world, while kiwi, tui, takahe, kauri, rimu (to name only a handful of our thousands of unique species) are only found in NZ. It would be a terrible loss to the world for these to be wiped out completely.

We are simply trying to reverse the mistakes of the early settlers, who really had no idea of the consequences of the actions they were undertaking.

 

[Comicaze247]

Ha? i say this from experience. What do they say it from? TV.

Didn't you say you were 14?

I'm 14. Do you suggest i break the law and get a girl knocked up?

Now I'm all for everybody having something to bring to the table, no matter what age. But you have much less experience than most of us on here. Myself, I have 8 years more than you. And I understand your viewpoint, as I once had it. Once you get out in the world more, you'll come to realize that people like that are all over the world. Trust me, I live in Southern California. It's ridiculous.

But you can't make generalizations about people from other countries just like you can't make generalizations about people with other religions, as I'm sure you've discovered in your time here. People only fall into having such generalizations about people so that it "saves them time" in thinking about what people are actually like.

 

[S-word]

Because animal life has a central nervous system that feels pain. Humans dont need meat so why do they need to hurt other beings ? It is only for personal pleasure.

Do you chase the dogs and take the living meat from their Jaws? Or perhaps you theive the the food, which is a living mouse, from the mouth of the poor cat, and what about the grass hopper in the mouth of mouse, would you save it too, because it like you is a vegetarian? And yet I've heard that living plants scream when cut, why are you so determined to get other people to inflict pain on the poor old plants?

 

[UnityNow101]

No matter how hard you try, you are going to take life. When you walk out to your vehicle everyday, you take the life of the little insects which are crawling to their resting places. Where do we draw the line on what is acceptable to kill and what is unjustified? Heck, when you take a sip of water, there are tiny organisms, which are life, that are swept into your stomach to die. The rule that I tend to use is one which says that if I could not personally take the life of the animal, then I will not eat it. But I understand that there are those who are willing to do so, and will not criticize them for that...

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Didn't you say you were 14?

Don's only 14? Wow.

Don, I'm impressed with your egarness to learn and discuss things here on the forum, keep it up. My appologies if I have come across as too harsh although I do stand by my statements. My intent is to defend my beliefs and rights and I hope that has come across. I hope, also, that you can think on the things said here and the advice given.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Don's only 14? Wow.

Don, I'm impressed with your egarness to learn and discuss things here on the forum, keep it up. My appologies if I have come across as too harsh although I do stand by my statements. My intent is to defend my beliefs and rights and I hope that has come across. I hope, also, that you can think on the things said here and the advice given.

I prefer it when you treat me like an adult Do not hold back... I fight fire with fire!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

While you are right in your following post, I do not sell the meat. But I feed the dog, yet that's not the main reason I shoot them.

Here, rabbits and hares are pests, and are rather unhelpful on the farm. While cows, like other grazing animals, graze the grass and leave a portion of the stalk so the grass may continue to grow, these animals eat it right down so it can't grow again. They also tunnel into the ground, causing our cows at times to break their legs when the tunnels collapse.

Same with possums, ferrets stoats and rats. All these pests were introduced when Europeans came to NZ, and are devastating to an ecosystem that has, firstly, no natural predators of these types, and secondly, no natural predators to keep these animal populations in check. They've devastated the populations of our flightless (and rather defenceless) native birds, one of which (the Takahe, I believe) was thought extinct, and the rest have been extraordinarily lucky to not have been wiped out.

So, sure, while these pests may have an "equal right" to live, so do our native flora and fauna. Ferrets, stoats, possums, rabbits, hares, rats... they have well established populations elsewhere in the world, while kiwi, tui, takahe, kauri, rimu (to name only a handful of our thousands of unique species) are only found in NZ. It would be a terrible loss to the world for these to be wiped out completely.

We are simply trying to reverse the mistakes of the early settlers, who really had no idea of the consequences of the actions they were undertaking.

I did not understand the situation... I thought you were doing it as a sport. In this case i apolagise

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Now I'm all for everybody having something to bring to the table, no matter what age. But you have much less experience than most of us on here. Myself, I have 8 years more than you. And I understand your viewpoint, as I once had it. Once you get out in the world more, you'll come to realize that people like that are all over the world. Trust me, I live in Southern California. It's ridiculous.

But you can't make generalizations about people from other countries just like you can't make generalizations about people with other religions, as I'm sure you've discovered in your time here. People only fall into having such generalizations about people so that it "saves them time" in thinking about what people are actually like.

Yeah you are right. It is something i do not wish to admit, but it is true, i suppose you need to know the person. But, i cannot always learn case to case. Sometimes generalisations are necessary. If i see a gang of youths and i might not take the detour because not all youths are bad... They might stab me, they might not, they probably won't. That was a generalisation by assuming they were dangerous.

I am not justifying generalisations at all, but i am just saying that they are not the worst thing

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I prefer it when you treat me like an adult Do not hold back... I fight fire with fire!

Oh I consider a 14 year old to be an adult but it can be surprising to find one acting like one. Good on ya!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Oh I consider a 14 year old to be an adult but it can be surprising to find one acting like one. Good on ya!

Over here (in my area particularly) you will be lucky to find an adult, period.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Over here (in my area particularly) you will be lucky to find an adult, period.

Understood.