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Is Woke a religion?

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
on this op, i have gone into great detail how woke is indeed cultural marxism .
I dropped a couple links detailing exactly that "cultural Marxism" is a white supremacist conspiracy theory used to rationalize disdain for social equality. It's a myth. Just as woke being vilified is a far right wing reaction.

Woke is not a religion either. It's recognizing past and present injustice. It's like calling awareness and knowledge of the Holocaust is somehow villainous. That's all that it is, awareness and acknowledgement. It comes from black vernacular. Everything you have brought up is not truthful.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
as one writer, i believe it was C.S.Lewis, " When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
Poor guy was incapable of unbelief. The notion that unbelievers are necessarily immoral and criminal has been falsified in survey after survey.
In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances.
Humans, like all living critters, are born with a life plan built in, related especially to survival and breeding. The dead have no purpose, and I've always wondered why it's an attractive idea to live forever ─ "we shall now sing hymn number 9,314,723,991,765,611".
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It ought to be clear to anyone reading this thread that when you stoop to strawman arguments like the one you just made, you don't have a good argument. Thank you!
Yes, we all see what you do, including using the term strawman a lot.
No you're taking statistical claims and trying to make them personal ;)
I'm using statistics to show where it's actually you being misogynist for insisting that women who do not hold your position--a position more common for men--are misogynist.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
My own writings from my own musings, conclusions,, again its cultural marxism, now the Woke mob departs somewhat from the Marxists of the last hundred years, dressing themselves up in slightly different rhetoric replacing economics with race and sex. Having grown up around fundamentalists and now seeing the growth of Woke there is little to differentiate the secular Woke from the fundamentalists, the similarities are in fact striking.



--The Woke have replaced Marx's ‘proletariat’ with ‘marginalized. ’



--Marx's ‘economic struggle’ is now replaced by ‘intersectionality.‘



--Marx’s utopian fantasy, from socialism to communism has been replaced with the woke fantasy of, ’ inclusive equitable society.’ Both fundamentalism and the woke entertain grand fantasies, utopian visions.



-Marx openly hated democracy which he saw as empowering oppressor/ victim, giving more power to the bourgeoisie with greater abilities to exploit the proletariat. The Woke, unlike liberals are not concerned with equality of opportunity but the equality of outcome. The woke, unlike the traditional Marxists see oppressor/victim as primarily racial and sexual with only an omnipotent state structure the means to enforce ‘equity.’ Democratic institutions to the woke are inherently phobe-hater-bigot-fascist, and racist, and, in lockstep with Marxism, as a consequence must be overturned.



---For the Marxist totalitarian the collectivist ideal is the goal, not the individual who must be subservient to the collective ideals, that has stayed the same with the emergence of Woke.



--Both protestant fundamentalism and Woke hold subjectivity above objective facts rendering both religions, their narratives, dogmatically foisted are religious claims.



--A common saying among the Woke faithful is ‘Your truth/my truth’ meaning no objective standard for truth exists. The fundamentalists say they know something is true ‘in their heart,’ further examples of both being religious.
Yeah, clearly you've never read Marx or Engels, and moreso do not know what a religion is.
 

LeftyLen

Active Member
I dropped a couple links detailing exactly that "cultural Marxism" is a white supremacist conspiracy theory used to rationalize disdain for social equality. It's a myth. Just as woke being vilified is a far right wing reaction.

Woke is not a religion either. It's recognizing past and present injustice. It's like calling awareness and knowledge of the Holocaust is somehow villainous. That's all that it is, awareness and acknowledgement. It comes from black vernacular. Everything you have brought up is not truthful.
other reasons woke is a religion, 'secular fundamentalism'-Both fundamentalism and woke are ridged and dogmatic thus rejecting debate or critical analysis. The fundamentalists say free inquiry, open debate gives open air to Satan and his minions, declaring debate should be suppressed because it breeds ‘contentiousness.’ The Woke say debate gives exploitative powers to various oppressors. Other reasons offered by the woke to suppress debate and discourse in general are declarations like, “debate causes division!” Open debate is expository, revealing in the dialectic process objective facts and sometimes truth. When one accepts objective reality lies are short circuited thus facts have no fear of free inquiry or open debate. A lie hates free inquiry and as a consequence totalitarians strive to suppress free inquiry, free speech and debate. this clearly renders it a religion. Once we took in an exchange student raised in a dictatorship, China.. This young woman openly stated ‘debate’ about government policies in her country was considered ‘disrespectful ‘ to authority. I asked the young lady “Why in a democratic republic does anyone with any civil authority need to be ‘respected,’ exalted in any way more than anyone else?” I added the mere notion that ‘government’ knows whats best is something beyond my understanding of what the function of government is. To my points the young lady had no rebuttal, rendered uneasy by the topic matter.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
You have a funny book the way it has you telling women who disagree with you they are all misogynist. Most the active members here have seen you do this.
If we look at stats overall women are more likely to accept and evem support trans people than men are.
And that leaves us here with you, a man--who as a group are more likely to be antagonistic towards trans people--telling a group--women--they are misogynist for doing what they are more likely to do.
Now who is the misogynist?

"If we look at stats overall women are more likely to accept and evem support trans people than men are"

Women are also more open, freindly, feel less threatened, have lower stress and anxiety around gay men.

Found that out by mistake one time when I was young when myself and a couple friends saw several women going into a bar.
Being young, single and on the prowl we followed them in. Turned out it was a gay bar. We stayed long enough to chat with them on why they went to a gay bar. They explained the above and said they have more fun with less worry of straight guys hitting on them.

Plus there is this ..

Women Warm Up Faster to Gay Men Than Straight Guys, Study Suggests
 

LeftyLen

Active Member
Yeah, clearly you've never read Marx or Engels, and moreso do not know what a religion is.

Yeah, clearly you've never read Marx or Engels, and moreso do not know what a religion is.
To bring CLARITY, The Woke mob departs somewhat from the Marxists of the last hundred years, dressing themselves up in slightly different rhetoric replacing economics with race and sex. Having grown up around fundamentalists and now seeing the growth of Woke there is little to differentiate the secular Woke from the fundamentalists, the similarities are in fact striking.



--The Woke have replaced Marx's ‘proletariat’ with ‘marginalized. ’



--Marx's ‘economic struggle’ is now replaced by ‘intersectionality.‘



--Marx’s utopian fantasy, from socialism to communism has been replaced with the woke fantasy of, ’ inclusive equitable society.’ Both fundamentalism and the woke entertain grand fantasies, utopian visions.



-Marx openly hated democracy which he saw as empowering oppressor/ victim, giving more power to the bourgeoisie with greater abilities to exploit the proletariat. The Woke, unlike liberals are not concerned with equality of opportunity but the equality of outcome. The woke, unlike the traditional Marxists see oppressor/victim as primarily racial and sexual with only an omnipotent state structure the means to enforce ‘equity.’ Democratic institutions to the woke are inherently phobe-hater-bigot-fascist, and racist, and, in lockstep with Marxism, as a consequence must be overturned.



---For the Marxist totalitarian the collectivist ideal is the goal, not the individual who must be subservient to the collective ideals, that has stayed the same with the emergence of Woke.



--Both protestant fundamentalism and Woke hold subjectivity above objective facts rendering both religions, their narratives, dogmatically foisted are very religious claims.



--A common saying among the Woke faithful is ‘Your truth/my truth’ meaning no objective standard for truth exists. The fundamentalists say they know something is true ‘in their heart,’ further examples of both being religious.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Yes, we all see what you do, including using the term strawman a lot.

I'm using statistics to show where it's actually you being misogynist for insisting that women who do not hold your position--a position more common for men--are misogynist.
Well I'm not at liberty to review again the specific beliefs and behaviors that TRAs exhibit, but ultimately it's about those beliefs and behaviors and it makes no difference who points them out, they are what they are.

But I will offer one example: If a lesbian doesn't want to date trans women, that lesbian might well get a lot of grief from TRAs. In my book that's both misogynistic and homophobic. full stop.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
"If we look at stats overall women are more likely to accept and evem support trans people than men are"

Women are also more open, freindly, feel less threatened, have lower stress and anxiety around gay men.

Found that out by mistake one time when I was young when myself and a couple friends saw several women going into a bar.
Being young, single and on the prowl we followed them in. Turned out it was a gay bar. We stayed long enough to chat with them on why they went to a gay bar. They explained the above and said they have more fun with less worry of straight guys hitting on them.

Plus there is this ..

Women Warm Up Faster to Gay Men Than Straight Guys, Study Suggests
This is relevant how?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well I'm not at liberty to review again the specific beliefs and behaviors that TRAs exhibit, but ultimately it's about those beliefs and behaviors and it makes no difference who points them out, they are what they are.

But I will offer one example: If a lesbian doesn't want to date trans women, that lesbian might well get a lot of grief from TRAs. In my book that's both misogynistic and homophobic. full stop.
And yet people who obsess over thw trans issues in a negative way like you do make victims of butch lesbians/dykes for not looking or acting feminine enough.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
To bring CLARITY, The Woke mob departs somewhat from the Marxists of the last hundred years, dressing themselves up in slightly different rhetoric replacing economics with race and sex. Having grown up around fundamentalists and now seeing the growth of Woke there is little to differentiate the secular Woke from the fundamentalists, the similarities are in fact striking.



--The Woke have replaced Marx's ‘proletariat’ with ‘marginalized. ’



--Marx's ‘economic struggle’ is now replaced by ‘intersectionality.‘



--Marx’s utopian fantasy, from socialism to communism has been replaced with the woke fantasy of, ’ inclusive equitable society.’ Both fundamentalism and the woke entertain grand fantasies, utopian visions.



-Marx openly hated democracy which he saw as empowering oppressor/ victim, giving more power to the bourgeoisie with greater abilities to exploit the proletariat. The Woke, unlike liberals are not concerned with equality of opportunity but the equality of outcome. The woke, unlike the traditional Marxists see oppressor/victim as primarily racial and sexual with only an omnipotent state structure the means to enforce ‘equity.’ Democratic institutions to the woke are inherently phobe-hater-bigot-fascist, and racist, and, in lockstep with Marxism, as a consequence must be overturned.



---For the Marxist totalitarian the collectivist ideal is the goal, not the individual who must be subservient to the collective ideals, that has stayed the same with the emergence of Woke.



--Both protestant fundamentalism and Woke hold subjectivity above objective facts rendering both religions, their narratives, dogmatically foisted are very religious claims.



--A common saying among the Woke faithful is ‘Your truth/my truth’ meaning no objective standard for truth exists. The fundamentalists say they know something is true ‘in their heart,’ further examples of both being religious.
All you've done is confirm further you don't know what Woke or Marxism are amd haven't read primary sources or legit secondary sources about them.
 

LeftyLen

Active Member
There's the original woke.

And then there's the straw man woke, an imaginary beast created by right wing media, for ratings mostly, to have something to be mad about, for more ratings. The caveat being tens of millions of clueless actually believe the beast exists. They can't factually identify it, without first exposing why there is an actual woke to begin with.
as asserted, woke is a religion, like fundamentalism on the far right it is a form of leftist 'secular fundamentalism. One aspect I have heard both the Woke and fundamentalists deny Woke and fundamentalism even exist. The existence of fundamentalism, over a hundred years old is often denied by the fundamentalists,- they claiming to be just, ‘Christians,’ and nothing more. They openly state all others are, ‘cults-heretics-reprobates-evolutionists.’ The comprehensive declaration of all others as being ‘cults-heretics-reprobate-evolutionists’ include all sectarians as well, designated as adversarial entities, according to the fundamentalists. ‘Christianity is not a religion,’ fundamentalists often declare, thus all not them, all Christian religions are therefore not Christian, summarily dismissed with a hand wave.

The Woke online see themselves as Social Justice Warriors exclusively defining Woke as the hundred year old Afro-American definition, nothing more, the actual dogmatic cultural Marxist stances they hold to, dismissed with a handwave.
 

LeftyLen

Active Member
Its relevant because you were talking about how women view(accept)transgenders.
Its relevant because they view(accept)gay men in a similar way.
I heard of xx and XY, i am unsure there are any drugs, forms of mutilation, or dogma that will alter XX and XY
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
And yet people who obsess over thw trans issues in a negative way like you do make victims of butch lesbians/dykes for not looking or acting feminine enough.
another slur, wow your arguments must be weak.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
It does seem to have religious, dogmatic, and cult-like traits or characteristics. I think it could be argued that they're an establishment of religion for legal types of purposes.

The only issue I can think of with it is whether it's about wanting to use the government to infringe on my rights, or if it's protected by the Constitution.

As long as they're not trying to use the government to infringe on my rights, I don't mind or care about their existence.

As an establishment of religion, those who engage in wokeness have 1st Amendment Constitutional protection & they also have 1st Amendment freedom of speech Constitutional protection.
 
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