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Islam belief, Noah, the Great Flood and Science. Coherent or contradictory?

Do Islamic beliefs about Noah contradict science?


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CG Didymus

Veteran Member
But that was a long time ago, and you are still talking about Christianity, as if it might actually be true. Are there still some strings attached?
For all I know, it might be true. However, unlikely that may be. When the NT says that there will be wars and rumors of wars, but that is not yet the end... then it leaves the door wide open. We are still having wars. So, is "The End", the Return of Jesus, yet to come? Both Baha'is and Christianity are predicted some cataclysmic events, if Jesus doesn't appear at that time, then things are looking good for the Baha'is. Only problem is, what will be left of people and the Earth? Any Baha'i prophecies on that?
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
For all I know, it might be true. However, unlikely that may be. When the NT says that there will be wars and rumors of wars, but that is not yet the end... then it leaves the door wide open. We are still having wars. So, is "The End", the Return of Jesus, yet to come? Both Baha'is and Christianity are predicted some cataclysmic events, if Jesus doesn't appear at that time, then things are looking good for the Baha'is. Only problem is, what will be left of people and the Earth? Any Baha'i prophecies on that?

Stacks of information on those questions.

Humanity will survive, an ever advancing civilization will result.

Regards Tony
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
For all I know, it might be true. However, unlikely that may be. When the NT says that there will be wars and rumors of wars, but that is not yet the end... then it leaves the door wide open.
What verses are those?
We are still having wars. So, is "The End", the Return of Jesus, yet to come?
Do you think that the same body of Jesus rose from the grave and ascended to heaven, later to descend upon a cloud?
Both Baha'is and Christianity are predicted some cataclysmic events, if Jesus doesn't appear at that time, then things are looking good for the Baha'is.
So we are all going to wait for what the various different interpretations of the Bible say is supposed to happen before we decide if the Baha'i Faith is true?

What does the Bible SAY about the timing of those events? Does it say they will happen and then Jesus will come?
It all depends upon what you consider cataclysmic events... WWI and WWII was pretty cataclysmic.
Only problem is, what will be left of people and the Earth? Any Baha'i prophecies on that?
I guess there are Pilgrim's Notes. Tony would know.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
True evidence of a "Great Flood"; was it THE Great Flood"; nobody really knows

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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
More evidence~~~~~~~~~~

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More natural erosion over millions of years cutting through natural strata deposited over hundreds of millions of years, including volcanic deposits, wind blown and limestone strata. The limestone strata formed in shallow seas like in the Bermuda region, and cannot possibly form in flood conditions. Yhey are in orderly horizontal layers with sandstone and shales.

By the way I am a geologist for over fifty years and I have hiked the Grand Canyon several times, and saw many signs of natural deposition over millions of years.

Magnificent panorama pictures of nature is only evidence for magnificent panorama pictures of nature
 
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james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No, evidence of natural erosion over millions of years.

No it was not natural erosion. In the article that provided the photos a geologists stated the reason it was not natural erosion. If I can find it I will post it (should have saved the link). It has something to do with the effects natural erosion has compared to flooding. Something to do with the layering.

:)-

I tried to find my original source & came up empty. My search engine is having problems but I did find this--
Discover the Ice Age Floods

The catastrophic floods from Glacial Lake Missoula and Lake Bonneville

are among the largest known floods in geologic history

Ice Age Floods-Discover Glacial Lake Missoula and Lake Bonneville

more evidence

Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

Biblical-Type Floods Are Real, and They're Absolutely Enormous

Geologists long rejected the notion that cataclysmic flood had ever occurred—until one of them found proof of a Noah-like catastrophe in the wildly eroded river valleys of Washington State.
Biblical-Type Floods Are Real, and They're Absolutely Enormous | DiscoverMagazine.com

:)-
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
No it was not natural erosion. In the article that provided the photos a geologists stated the reason it was not natural erosion. If I can find it I will post it (should have saved the link). It has something to do with the effects natural erosion has compared to flooding. Something to do with the layering.

:)-
I am a geologist, and this is entirely bogus. Natural horizontal limestone strata cannot be possibly caused by catastrophic flooding, and neither can the volcanics. The even horizontal strata is overwhelming evidence against the Flood. The Colorado River cut through consolidated rock, and the rocks, and gravel can be found down stream eroded out of consolidated rock.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
No it was not natural erosion. In the article that provided the photos a geologists stated the reason it was not natural erosion. If I can find it I will post it (should have saved the link). It has something to do with the effects natural erosion has compared to flooding. Something to do with the layering.

:)-

I tried to find my original source & came up empty. My search engine is having problems but I did find this--
Discover the Ice Age Floods

The catastrophic floods from Glacial Lake Missoula and Lake Bonneville

are among the largest known floods in geologic history

Ice Age Floods-Discover Glacial Lake Missoula and Lake Bonneville

more evidence

Is there evidence that the flood was global? | Bibleinfo.com

Biblical-Type Floods Are Real, and They're Absolutely Enormous

Geologists long rejected the notion that cataclysmic flood had ever occurred—until one of them found proof of a Noah-like catastrophe in the wildly eroded river valleys of Washington State.
Biblical-Type Floods Are Real, and They're Absolutely Enormous | DiscoverMagazine.com

:)-
These are not Biblical like floods. The Catastrophic Lake Missouli and Lake Bonneville floods are local and specifically related to a glacial events, and natural. By the way there is nothing in the Bible about glaciers.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
strata cannot be possibly caused by catastrophic flooding

It rained for 40 days and nights, not overnight.

Still having said that I stand by what I said and the photos I provided.
They were a result of "flooding", large body of water flowing across the land. It does not have to flow at 6 mph to do the work.

It has also been proven that the northern half of the earth was covered in ice. As the ice melted the runoff flowed across the mid and southern land masses causing this erosion (in a relatively short time)

So geologists believed the earth was flat, but that was a long time ago.
You do know the earth is round; right?

just kidding

I'll find my source, just for you :)-
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
These are not Biblical like floods.

A lot in the Bible is metaphorical, not actual/factual.

Still there have been several floods in the history of our planet and if I want to attribute one to the great flood I will, end of a nowhere debate.

BTW: I don't know you and you could be a janitor pretending to be a geologists so no offense to you I will stick with my sources

:)-
 

sooda

Veteran Member
It is my opinion that Islam has lots in common with Jewish belief and that the flood is taken seriously. There also used to be a bit circulation about the Moon splitting and I have no idea where that came from in Islam. It is perhaps an artifact from pre-Islamic beliefs? I sometimes wonder if the very advanced Arabs (Egyptians) had come up with a Telescope and seen lunar rilles? Just an idle thought whilst enjoying a bit of IPA.

Arab astronomers invented the astrolab, a device for helping them mark the positions of the planets and constellations through the seasons.

It was a navigation tool that they called Kamal. Worked in the desert and the ocean.

I don't think the telescope was around until 1600 AD.

Never call an Egyptian an Arab.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
T It is reported that Noah lived to be 950 years old (Qur'an 29:14).
It already fails scientifically here.
In context of the questionin the pool, the argument is already over.

However, many ancient Muslim scholars interpreted the Qur'anic verses as describing a global flood, which modern scientists theorize is impossible according to the archaeological and fossil record.

Not "theorize". It is factually incorrect. And this isn't just a fact of archeology and the fossil record.
It's also fact in the genetic record, geology, physics, meterology,...... Just about every even only remotely connected science demonstrates this story to be pure fantasy and impossible.

Other scholars state that the geographic impact of the flood is unknown, and could have been local.

Local floods happen all the time. As good as every day, somewhere in the world, a flood takes place to one extent or the other. What's special about that?

So having considered the uncertainties within Islam about the global nature of the flood, how about the practicalities of building the ark and gathering all the animals. How does living for 950 years work?

It doesn't. The literal story is obvious factual nonsense.
Also, if it was a local flood, then the whole "gathering the animals" thingy is completely absurd and unnecessary.
 
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