Islam Has Been Hijacked By...

[Augustus]

other ideologies are not currently committing genocide on a large scale like islam is now. So out of desperation you want to bring up the past when other countries made mistakes WE corrected them on.

Because mentioning the Iraq war in regard to Al-Qaeda and IS is completely irrelevant...

If we have to listen to Jihadis when they say Islam is a motivation, we have to listen to OBL when he says stationing US troops in the Hijaz was a motivation, or the countless Jihadis who said Iraq and Afghanistan were major factors in their radicalisation.

Perhaps you can correct them though and tell hem what they really believe...

 

[outhouse]

This is sad as hell. These are your typical moderate muslims.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ss-executions/ar-AAfHijv?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp

The newspaper Okaz said 55 people were awaiting execution for "terrorist crimes", while a now-deleted report by al-Riyadh said 52 would die soon.

They are thought to include Shia who took part in anti-government protests.

Since 2011, it has been the centre of protests by Saudi Arabia's Shia minority, which has long complained of marginalisation at the hands of the Sunni monarchy.

Among those at imminent risk of execution were six Shia activists from Awamiya "who were clearly convicted in unfair trials", according to Amnesty.

"It is clear that the Saudi Arabian authorities are using the guise of counter-terrorism to settle political scores," said James Lynch, Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa deputy director.

 

[outhouse]

If we have to listen to Jihadis when they say Islam is a motivation, we have to listen to OBL when he says stationing US troops in the Hijaz

False.

One is from people that don't separate religion from government, and who are producing he worlds largest amounts of terrorist to date, which for the mots part is based on religious ideologies.

NOT just POLITICAL alone.

 

[Augustus]

NOT just POLITICAL alone.

Who said that?

I just pointed out that most people give political reasons for their radicalisation.

 

[outhouse]

Who said that?

I just pointed out that most people give political reasons for their radicalisation.

To me radical is a made up term that only describes muslim soldiers. which is a problem in itself.


There are no soldiers of Judaism or soldiers of Christians, but there are muslim soldiers.


No separation of islam and war

 

[outhouse]

Islam Has Been Hijacked By...

Governments
Terrorist
religious fanaticism
religious fundamentalism

Of course we could define hijacked a little better. Does it equate to perversion?

 

[dust1n]

Yes yes, I understand all of this. But we didn't defend those ideas. We didn't justify them. We acknowledged Nazis, etc. as the bad guys, that what they did was wrong. But now I see people justifying Islamic terror and telling us that Islam is not responsible for these terror groups.

I was really just having a ding at folks who think Islam has nothing to do with any of these groups.

I like how it's either agree with your notion that Islam is so much more comparatively violent than anything else in this world, without any actual empirical evidence, or I'm defending or justifying terrorism. Let me be clear, Islam is stupid. Terrorism is a petty and ultimately ineffective political tool, especially in 21st century for. But I have seriously no reason to be concerned about being killed by Muslim extremists. It's simply so rare, that I can live my life knowing with a good deal of certainty, that Islam isn't going to be altering my life any way whatsoever. Where as, I'm much more likely to die here as a result of a random, confused white or black kid killing me randomly because he can't laid or whatever.

As far as Muslim countries are concerned, I hope one day a democracy can thrive there without us overthrowing it in some manner or another with my taxes, thanks.

 

[Lyndon]

Yes but nobody went around trying to justify these ideas and saying that they were inherently non-violent and allowing hoards of Commie immigrants in. Also, Islam has been flashing its sword since Muhammad established it.

Excuse me, I believe there were tons of Eastern European and even Russian immigrants to the US and other countries fleeing Communism, how is that so different, these people are fleeing ISIS, not ISIS members.

 

[Lyndon]

To me radical is a made up term that only describes muslim soldiers. which is a problem in itself.


There are no soldiers of Judaism or soldiers of Christians, but there are muslim soldiers.


No separation of islam and war

What in the world do you call the US military??

 

[Rival]

I like how it's either agree with your notion that Islam is so much more comparatively violent than anything else in this world, without any actual empirical evidence, or I'm defending or justifying terrorism.

Where did I say this? And I am talking solely about religion here, which is why I wasn't responding much to the political stuff. As far as religions go, imo, Islam has its rather large, if not the largest, fair share of violent groups inspired by the Qur'an and Hadith. I just tire of people saying "it has nothing to do with Islam."

 

[dust1n]

Where did I say this? And I am talking solely about religion here, which is why I wasn't responding much to the political stuff. As far as religions go, imo, Islam has its rather large, if not the largest, fair share of violent groups inspired by the Qur'an and Hadith. I just tire of people saying "it has nothing to do with Islam."

Sorry, I thought it saw it implicitly in "But now I see people justifying Islamic terror and telling us that Islam is not responsible for these terror groups."

Anyways, obviously it's not black or white. Islam is neither entirely unrelated, nor is it solely responsible... that's about it.

 

[outhouse]

What in the world do you call the US military??

You really don't understand the word "context" do you?

Is one religion tied to OUR military, or is it open to all religions????????????????

 

[atanu]

IS
Al Qaeda
Boko Haram
Somali Pirates (I forget the name)
...etc.
Why does Islam seem to lend itself so easily to being 'hijacked' by terror groups and pirates and kidnappers? Why don't they use Wicca, or Asatru, or Christianity or...anything else? Why does it always seem to be this religion? I'm banking on it having something to do with Islam.

My one cent.

Basically all human animals are savages, due to massive play of ignorance and illusion that one is an individual body-mind, separate from the whole. Sages are those who have overcome this illusion of separation. Throughout history man has killed man, religion or no religion. In recent time there have been two great world wars and dropping of bombs on innocents in Hiroshima etc.

At present, the bane of the whole of Asia in general, and Middle East in particular is its treasure of oil. Western powers on one hand and Saudi and Qatar on the other want control over these areas. They have together eliminated the secular, moderate, progressive rulers one by one, giving rise to warlords who they cannot control.

 

[Godobeyer]

IS
Al Qaeda
Boko Haram
Somali Pirates (I forget the name)
...etc.

Why does Islam seem to lend itself so easily to being 'hijacked' by terror groups and pirates and kidnappers? Why don't they use Wicca, or Asatru, or Christianity or...anything else? Why does it always seem to be this religion? I'm banking on it having something to do with Islam.

Rival ,why you hijacked my thread title

anyway
they are all same ,all of them came from school Wahhabism , they just switch the name .

 

[Godobeyer]

Lol Islam has been hijacked by Muslims.

do you listen to videos that i posted in my thread , before post this thread ?


Our Religion is Hijacked

ISIS and the persecution of Christians in Iraq

 

[outhouse]

My one cent.

Basically all human animals are savages, due to massive play of ignorance and illusion that one is an individual body-mind, separate from the whole. Sages are those who have overcome this illusion of separation. Throughout history man has killed man, religion or no religion. In recent time there have been two great world wars and dropping of bombs on innocents in Hiroshima etc.

At present, the bane of the whole of Asia in general, and Middle East in particular is its treasure of oil. Western powers on one hand and Saudi and Qatar on the other want control over these areas. They have together eliminated the secular, moderate, progressive rulers one by one, giving rise to warlords who they will finally fail to control and the hands that fed the beasts will eventually be eaten.

Way to go OFF TPOIC and rant about how you hate the world.

And by the way the conscious mind is factually in our brain, and separation is faith based. But I hope your having a happy holiday.

 

[Godobeyer]

Muhammad destroyed Pagan idols when he conquered Mecca, and if the majority of Islamic scholars and historians are to be believed, he also forbade non-Muslims from entering it or building houses of worship in the Arabian Peninsula. Fortunately, not all countries in the Arabian peninsula follow this rule today.

Also, the Qur'an itself repeatedly states that Allah hates the non-believers and has prepared agonizing torment for them in the afterlife. It also commands cutting off thieves' hands and lashing for premarital sex in explicit terms.

It seems to me that going by some people's logic, Muhammad and Allah themselves would be "fake Muslims" who "hijacked Islam."

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) destroyed Idols inside Kabba , because Kabba is house is built by Ibrahim (pbuh) , so it's had no to do with Pagan . it's belong to Muslims .

I think , God will punish just disbelievers whom heard about Islam , whom never heard about Islam or mislead by media that's up to him to forgive them .

 

[outhouse]

God will punish just disbelievers whom heard about Islam

Is this what you call a peaceful kind being?

 

[YmirGF]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) destroyed Idols inside Kabba , because Kabba is house is built by Ibrahim (pbuh) , so it's had no to do with Pagan . it's belong to Muslims .

Muslims didn't exist when the Kabba was built.

I think , God will punish just disbelievers whom heard about Islam , whom never heard about Islam or mislead by media that's up to him to forgive them .

Allah, sounds like a real peach.

 

[Godobeyer]

Is this what you call a peaceful kind being?

God creat you , and God will make you die ,and God do whatever He want , so if you had power equal to His, or you are His partner , then you had right to critize His decisions .