Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[islamcity]

I think you make a simple mistake... you think that religion "explains" things that you want to "know". Thats a mistake. Religion just "claims" things that you then "believe".

You see if religion tells you "there is a god" then you dont know it and religion doesnt explain that or prooves it. All it does is to claim it and you obviously want to hear that.

Something you might find intriguing:http://www.islamic-world.net/SNG/index1.htm

 

[Breathe]

yes but when some thing match with my book i must admit about it

Religious scripture does not always equal reality, even though you, and I, would like to believe it.

Odion
Historically in the arab history it is well knowen that ibrahim bult kabba
But you ask me to get a copy of the contract of bulding
Sorry, but I can't do that

Well known? No, widely believed. You cannot offer some kind of archaeological proof, because, I guess, there is none that you can offer. Ask your sheikh, and then contact me. If you can prove the Kaaba was made by Abraham, without religious texts - using historical sources such as archaeology, DNA, historical evidence, biographies, or something other than the Tawrat, Qur'an, Hadith, Injil, Hindu scriptures, without any kind of religious scripture and using only scientific and academic means, and truthful ones- I will believe you.

gods low is when she can have achildren she can marry
and that is common all over the history,age of women marriage just up in the20 centeury

Don't like it, sorry. As a father, no way.

there are no thing in islam about playing with dolls , if you better than me about islam i hope you to get me some thing from islam about dolls
also it doesn't matter how old was she, what is matter she was adult when she married

Obviously you do not read the Hadith enough.

Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

if some one one marry unadult girl his enemys must talk about that
and prophet mohamed had alot of enemyies at that time
it is strange that no one of them talk about that
if you think so get to me some one talk about that in the age of prohet mohamed

Why would they? It was commonplace. However, I expect more, I expect better, from a prophet of God.

haha
public hair
what is that mean?
get me that hadith because i never heared about it

Pubic hair, you know?
Just type "Pubic hair" in wikipedia.

As to your question on the Hadith, here.

Book 38, Number 4390:
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:

I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

sure killing some one father and enslaving his mother is bad
but when acriminal ask for alow ,his low
and chose the judge
don't tell me it is unfair
also that is not in islam

But it is unfair. Why kill ones' enemies? Why not try to settle things with them via diplomacy?

and i told do what happen with their partners
why that didn't that happen to them also

More slaves?

what is that mean
the prophet of god put a low put rules for freedom
and i mentioned it all
but you just ignored it
and can you tell me any where else if aslave want his freedom how can he get it?

Slaves have bought freedom, but in the majority of the world, we do not have slaves.

i told you the rule , what people did
then you say slaves are still slaves
no ,slaves start to get freedom

as i sayied they negotite
if they didn't have agreement they can go the judge to tell the price

That's what I was asking, thank you for sharing that.

you just mix things the normal is to give aslave as agift but ate that age is it normal to frr him

"Normal" again. I expect better from a prophet, after all, a prophet should reflect the God they proclaim to be from...

that is easy to proof if she is his slave why would he marry her
he can do what ever he wish without marrying her
at any time masteurs don't marry slaves

"other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine. " - Wiki.

you asked me about aspecial condition with out sun
if there is sun you must feast according to time of sun rise and set
again we feast for atime
not for asun
and to proof that for you
we pray according to time of sun movment
so if aday where no sun rise mapy clouds are alot that day
what will we do stop praying?
no we pray at the time

At what time?

finally this question show me clearly
you are not searching for truth
you ask aquestion and i answered
but because the answer solved the question

No, I am searching for truth - I ask a question, you answer, and I ask why - without sounding mean, your answers are not good enough. Religion is a difficult thing - I do not want to be in a religion which I cannot get out of.

you say you feast according to sun
even i say we feast for time
you are just arque with no meaning
also search how moslems feast with out sun ,what if my answer is true what would you do?

They would starve. Muslims break fast after the sun has set (after Isha prayer, I believe) - do you think I am so naïve so as not to know this?

 

[England my lionheart]

The quran is not a history book, recalling all the names of our 124,000 prophets and when they were born and how they lived. Unlike the Bible containing stories and songs the quran only uses some prophets life encounters as an example to make subject clearer an understandable you keep misunderstanding the quran for a normal history,maths,science,or a story book. No it does not contain the birth of adam due to the reasons i have mentioned. Adams birth is possibly contained in other Islamic religous booksrelated to islamic history.

No you misunderstand,i have never thought the Quran to be a History,Science,Maths book but others have stated that the science in the Quran proves it.

Just to add it is your fellow Muslims who are claiming the Quran is scientifically proven and i am just responding to them.

 

[.lava]

No you misunderstand,i have never thought the Quran to be a History,Science,Maths book but others have stated that the science in the Quran proves it.

Just to add it is your fellow Muslims who are claiming the Quran is scientifically proven and i am just responding to them.

do you believe sky has seven layers? if yes, how do you know that?

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[.lava]

Slaves have bought freedom, but in the majority of the world, we do not have slaves.

could it be because we are slaves?

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[Breathe]

could it be because we are slaves?

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Slaves to consumerism, maybe.
But I am owned by no man.

To say I am a "slave of Allah", or a "slave of God" sounds a little uncomfortable, a little strange.

 

[challupa]

Slaves to consumerism, maybe.
But I am owned by no man.

To say I am a "slave of Allah", or a "slave of God" sounds a little uncomfortable, a little strange.

Yes I cannot even begin to understand why people would see God as a figure of judgment and punishment that we need to revere and be a slave to. I see God as far beyond these human needs. I don't feel any fear of God, I just feel unconditional love from this Being. I wish others could let go of those beliefs that limit man to serving out of fear, feeling they are sinners or slaves. For me those concepts are very alien.

 

[Breathe]

Yes I cannot even begin to understand why people would see God as a figure of judgment and punishment that we need to revere and be a slave to. I see God as far beyond these human needs. I don't feel any fear of God, I just feel unconditional love from this Being. I wish others could let go of those beliefs that limit man to serving out of fear, feeling they are sinners or slaves. For me those concepts are very alien.

I could not agree more!
I want to love God, not fear Him. I want to hold God with respect, care and unconditional love like you would for a parent, child or sibling - I do not want eternal punishment, nor do I want to worship a God for the sake of eternal pleasure (though eternal happiness WOULD be nice.. ).

 

[challupa]

I could not agree more!
I want to love God, not fear Him. I want to hold God with respect, care and unconditional love like you would for a parent, child or sibling - I do not want eternal punishment, nor do I want to worship a God for the sake of eternal pleasure (though eternal happiness WOULD be nice.. ).

Yes. Fear doesn't seem like a good reason to worship anything. It seems forced and not at all about free will. I have said it in other threads that I don't see how people can view God as a father figure and then say he would punish them eternally for getting some of his rules wrong. I am a parent and even I as a mere mortal would never do that to my children. So if I would not do it how much less likely is it that an all loving and merciful God would do it? Baffles me to be honest.:yes:

 

[England my lionheart]

do you believe sky has seven layers? if yes, how do you know that?

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Oh i know whats comming,this is your best?

 

[.lava]

Oh i know whats comming,this is your best?

lol of course you do. but this has nothing to do with my best my worst cos layers of sky is not mine. it's just very simple example. so? how do you know about layers of sky? did you see them?

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[England my lionheart]

lol of course you do. but this has nothing to do with my best my worst cos layers of sky is not mine. it's just very simple example. so? how do you know about layers of sky? did you see them?

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From science of course the original atmosphere was very different to what it is now and fluctuates depending on Solar activity and of course Mankinds pollution.

 

[pharon85]

Lets see ...
You said it would be 71.11 percent.
I replied (with a link) that currently it is 70.8 %.
Then you answered that this would be the same and i should refer to the nasa link (that you have provided now). In that nasa link we read "About 71 percent".
I am sorry but if you want to play such silly games then you should play them in the kindergarten.
70.8 is not 71.11
and "about 71" is not 71.11
And since we are at it ... your selective calculation is not even a proof in any case (even it it were 71.11)

You do what many muslims have done especially since the 70s and 80s when clergy was afraid of muslims leaving islam because they thought it would be outdated.
They selectively searched the scientific theories for points that didn't contradict quranic suras and tried to correlate them. Afterwards they illogically claimed that this scientific knowledge was present in the quran in the first place and could not have been written by an illiterate man 1400 years ago.
They even invited scientists to these workshops in order to give more credibility to their claims. I interviewed several of them and even still have the mail correspondence (which i could even bring hee as evidence). I found not a single one who truly believed that stuff that he supposedly said.

But frankly after some 10 years of stupid discussions with peopole like you that think they know everything while in truth they just copied nonsense from a nonsense site one get's a little bit tired of your lot.

sorry but really i didn't see it
1- i was sure you will talk about the percent
so if you search NASA site you will never find percent like that ,001%
because NASA just use numbers with no decimal
so in about mean to the nearest
71.11 % to the nearest number is 71%
and NASA write About 71% ,if it 71% why did they write about?
also you speak about stupid disscussions ok i found it stupid two
but i belive on some thing and you belive on some thing and we will never find alink
and you say moslems are afraid that people will let islam
that mean you don't know that islam is the most spreading religion in the world?

[FONT=&quot]I do not recall claiming that you said something about the bible.[/FONT]

strange because you say it was disscused before and they proof it is all wrong
that is why i asked you to get me alink for that
now you say that
please can you give me alink proof what you say or discuse it with me

[FONT=&quot]Ask a scientist about it [/FONT]

i proofed that
day for god is 1000 year of ours and that is in quran
so that mean creation of universe take 6000 year
which matched with science

Which points do you claim that i have mentioned and that are not in the quran ?
I am curious....
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just send me the link you speak about quran on it and i will get it for you
i'am not escaping but just i cant find the page
just get it for me please and i will answer
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Really ?
Sorry but science has DISPROOVEN that.
What about this one ? "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnemidophorus"
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis"
Is the sun male and the moon female or are there exactly two of each ?

Any chance you realize your mistake and throw your ideas in the trashbin ? Guess no.... As we see you just started spinning the wheel .....
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thanks for the links that proof what i sayied
your problem is you think that pairs mean male and female
which is not true
read what i wrote before and you will see that

for sun and moon they are pairs
sun give light moon reflect it
pairs cant you see

God created shoes as well ?
What do we do with all those poor one legged people ? Discard them as being from hell ?
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you tak my words out of the topic i wasn't talk about that at all i just was given an example​

i didn't disrespect any one

Why not generally speak about cells instead of trying to find a loophole ?
Cell division - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nothing needs to "stick" .....
You might want to have a look at Binary fission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See that ? ONE becomes TWO
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thanks again for the the links that proof what i sayied
yes ones one become two
but how?
read again and you under the title process
i can see we both read the same thing then every one see it as how he think
that will be endless



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[abhimanyu]

Hi, may I have the answers for these questions which I asked before....

Why was Guru Arjan Dev, and Guru Teg Bahadur , the fifth and ninth prophets of the Sikhs , tortured and put to death by the muslims ?

Guru Arjan Dev and Guru Teg Bahadur belonged to the Sikh religion in India , and they were minding their own business, and simply teaching people about God and how to lead a pure and good life.

What business did the muslims have to go and harrasss and persecute the leaders and prophets of an another religion followed by many people, and who was causing harm to nobody, but only bringing goodness and the teachings of non-violence and peace to society ?

'He who lives in a ruined hut, with all his clothes torn:
Who has neither caste nor lineage, nor respect;
Who wanders in the wilderness.
Who has no relation or kinsmen,
Is yet the king of the whole world,
If his heart is imbued with the love of God.''

-- Guru Arjan Dev


Guru Arjan Dev was known for his great compassion and he always readily served the poor, needy, helpless and sick peoples of all creeds and religions without discrimination .

He was also known for his service to suffering humanity and for the welfare of the lepers and constructed homes for them and touched them with affection even when their close relatives would not touch them and provided them with medicine, dresses and spiritual balm.

All I wish to know is, has Islamic society learned from its great sinful mistakes of the past , that is the brutal torture and killings of sages like Guru Arjan and Guru Teg Bahadur and also the peoples of other religions,apologized for their treatment of these great sages and others and the affronts to their dignity and human rights , and make sure that this will not happen again ?

Thanks in advance.

 

[pharon85]

Religious scripture does not always equal reality, even though you, and I, would like to believe it.

if you belive with a religion you will accept it

Well known? No, widely believed. You cannot offer some kind of archaeological proof, because, I guess, there is none that you can offer. Ask your sheikh, and then contact me. If you can prove the Kaaba was made by Abraham, without religious texts - using historical sources such as archaeology, DNA, historical evidence, biographies, or something other than the Tawrat, Qur'an, Hadith, Injil, Hindu scriptures, without any kind of religious scripture and using only scientific and academic means, and truthful ones- I will believe you.​

ok you still want the contract
i have some evediance but i know you won't accept it
1- arab poems long time before islam ,it speak about ibrahim who build kabba
2-makam ibrahim which is the stone he used to stand on it ,and it still there just afew meters of kabba
3- a famouse historical story on the day prophet mohamed entered makaa he opened kabba and see inside it astatue for ibrahim and ismail jumbling he sayied god curse on the atheists they never did that

[FONT=&quot]Don't like it, sorry. As a father, no way[/FONT]

dear there are different between what you like and what used to happen at that time of history

[FONT=&quot]Obviously you do not read the Hadith enough[/FONT]

first i will give you an advice when you search about some thing search on the source
because the link you gave me is full of trash and lias and that is not hadith at all
and to proof that to you i will ask aquestion
what is the meaning of hadith?
it is some thing prophet mohamed sayied.it started with prohet mohamed sayied and the thing you get is just astory told by isha wish is not hadith and also it is alie

and it is abig science because some liars put wrong things and say it is hadith
so there sources for hadiths

when some one of thoes liars were caught and he know that he will be killed he used to say i don't care i wrote 100000 one all of it full of trash
so get your informations from islamic sources accepted by moslems
not any thing then you say it is islam

Why would they? It was commonplace. However, I expect more, I expect better, from a prophet of God.

so you think arab used to marry littel children
even before islam arab never did that
girl just marry when she is adult
if you are sure that arab do that please proofe that ,get me any thing from history telling me that arab used to marry children
prophet mohamed married an adult one so what is in that
i know about hadith

and also i sayied no thing in islam about dolls

i mean in islam there are no thing prevent children fro playing with dolls
if you think so prove for me with atrue thing not some thing i belive it is alie

[FONT=&quot]Pubic hair, you know?
Just type "Pubic hair" in wikipedia.

As to your question on the Hadith, here[/FONT]

But it is unfair. Why kill ones' enemies? Why not try to settle things with them via diplomacy?​

i searched in wikipedia for public hair and i found no thing
and again hadith is some thing prophet mohamed asyied and what you get is not hadith
and again seacrch for moslems sources not any source put any thing
about bnu quriza i told you the story but you act as you never read it
they chose the law and the judge,their law and the judge was allie to them before he be amoslem
so why now saying it is barberian
they who chose
and if it it is moslems rules,give me another place moslems did that
also you say

More slaves?​

he let them go even they are partners with bnu quriza ,moslems didn't kill them

[FONT=&quot]Slaves have bought freedom, but in the majority of the world, we do not have slaves[/FONT]

but is that arule, can slave force his masteur to give him his freedom
that is acoording to what is the masteur want
in islam he is forced
that is why we also don't have slaves

"Normal" again. I expect better from a prophet, after all, a prophet should reflect the God they proclaim to be from...​

as aprophet what do you exepct from him?
gave her her freedom and that is what he did

also prohet mohamed never gave aslave as agift
also maria came with her sister which was aslave also
and he gave her her freedom too
also do you know who give maria and her sister to prophet mohamed?
amn called elmokaokes who was the head of chrstian egyptians
prophet mohamed sent him amessage and the man accepted that he is the prophet
according to chrstian books
so he replied with agift and amessage saying he belive he is the last prophet that jesues told about him

[FONT=&quot]"other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine. [/FONT]

that was his opinion also he was born 8 centeuries after prophet mohamed death so he wasn't there
and to proof that she was awife

in islam if aslave have achild from her masteur she be afree
so the masteur have no right on her after that
it s well known that maria have achild from prophet mohamed his name was ibrahim
so if she was aslave he must gave her freedom and let her go
that didn't happen because she is not aslave she was his wife
ans she lived in the prophet home untill she died,and that about 25 year after the death of prohet mohamed
so after prophet mohamed died if she was aslave prophet mohamed family must take her and do what ever she want with her
this also never happened because she wasn't aslave she was free and awife to prophet mohamed

[FONT=&quot]At what time[/FONT]

No, I am searching for truth - I ask a question, you answer, and I ask why - without sounding mean, your answers are not good enough. Religion is a difficult thing - I do not want to be in a religion which I cannot get out of.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]​

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my answers is not good
ok i will explain to you the matter of sun
and i hope you find it good answer
people didn't have aclock
so they used sun to deremine time
so it is about time not sun
so it is not important now if you see sun or you don't because it is about time
not sun

They would starve. Muslims break fast after the sun has set (after Isha prayer, I believe) - do you think I am so naïve so as not to know this?

again i answered it is about time not about sun
also i didn't say you are naive

i think your problem is that you think you know alot about islam which is not true
because you chose sources is not acceetable for moslems and say that is your religion
and by the way to proof that you don't know mush about islam break fast is after magreb pray not isha
my advice ts first search what moslems say then search what others say about that then
then ask
not get views of nonmoslems and tell us that is your religion, i think that is not the right way

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[Breathe]

Pharon, I'm wasting my time with you. We're going to go around in circles.
As to your "you think you know a lot about islam which is not true" - that's wrong. Unless of course, you know better than sheikhs.

 

[England my lionheart]

if you belive with a religion you will accept it

ok you still want the contract
i have some evediance but i know you won't accept it
1- arab poems long time before islam ,it speak about ibrahim who build kabba
2-makam ibrahim which is the stone he used to stand on it ,and it still there just afew meters of kabba
3- a famouse historical story on the day prophet mohamed entered makaa he opened kabba and see inside it astatue for ibrahim and ismail jumbling he sayied god curse on the atheists they never did that

dear there are different between what you like and what used to happen at that time of history


first i will give you an advice when you search about some thing search on the source
because the link you gave me is full of trash and lias and that is not hadith at all
and to proof that to you i will ask aquestion
what is the meaning of hadith?
it is some thing prophet mohamed sayied.it started with prohet mohamed sayied and the thing you get is just astory told by isha wish is not hadith and also it is alie

and it is abig science because some liars put wrong things and say it is hadith
so there sources for hadiths

when some one of thoes liars were caught and he know that he will be killed he used to say i don't care i wrote 100000 one all of it full of trash
so get your informations from islamic sources accepted by moslems
not any thing then you say it is islam

so you think arab used to marry littel children
even before islam arab never did that
girl just marry when she is adult
if you are sure that arab do that please proofe that ,get me any thing from history telling me that arab used to marry children
prophet mohamed married an adult one so what is in that
i know about hadith

and also i sayied no thing in islam about dolls

i mean in islam there are no thing prevent children fro playing with dolls
if you think so prove for me with atrue thing not some thing i belive it is alie

i searched in wikipedia for public hair and i found no thing
and again hadith is some thing prophet mohamed asyied and what you get is not hadith
and again seacrch for moslems sources not any source put any thing
about bnu quriza i told you the story but you act as you never read it
they chose the law and the judge,their law and the judge was allie to them before he be amoslem
so why now saying it is barberian
they who chose
and if it it is moslems rules,give me another place moslems did that
also you say


he let them go even they are partners with bnu quriza ,moslems didn't kill them

but is that arule, can slave force his masteur to give him his freedom
that is acoording to what is the masteur want
in islam he is forced
that is why we also don't have slaves

as aprophet what do you exepct from him?
gave her her freedom and that is what he did

also prohet mohamed never gave aslave as agift
also maria came with her sister which was aslave also
and he gave her her freedom too
also do you know who give maria and her sister to prophet mohamed?
amn called elmokaokes who was the head of chrstian egyptians
prophet mohamed sent him amessage and the man accepted that he is the prophet
according to chrstian books
so he replied with agift and amessage saying he belive he is the last prophet that jesues told about him
that was his opinion also he was born 8 centeuries after prophet mohamed death so he wasn't there
and to proof that she was awife

in islam if aslave have achild from her masteur she be afree
so the masteur have no right on her after that
it s well known that maria have achild from prophet mohamed his name was ibrahim
so if she was aslave he must gave her freedom and let her go
that didn't happen because she is not aslave she was his wife
ans she lived in the prophet home untill she died,and that about 25 year after the death of prohet mohamed
so after prophet mohamed died if she was aslave prophet mohamed family must take her and do what ever she want with her
this also never happened because she wasn't aslave she was free and awife to prophet mohamed

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my answers is not good
ok i will explain to you the matter of sun
and i hope you find it good answer
people didn't have aclock
so they used sun to deremine time
so it is about time not sun
so it is not important now if you see sun or you don't because it is about time
not sun

again i answered it is about time not about sun
also i didn't say you are naive

i think your problem is that you think you know alot about islam which is not true
because you chose sources is not acceetable for moslems and say that is your religion
and by the way to proof that you don't know mush about islam break fast is after magreb pray not isha
my advice ts first search what moslems say then search what others say about that then
then ask
not get views of nonmoslems and tell us that is your religion, i think that is not the right way

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Pharon,why can you not accept that Islam is a belief and not a fact,this applies to all religions.

 

[pharon85]

Pharon, I'm wasting my time with you. We're going to go around in circles.
As to your "you think you know a lot about islam which is not true" - that's wrong. Unless of course, you know better than sheikhs.

it is not me who go around in circles
i didn't say i know more about sheikhs but you say you know enough about islam even you don't know when moslmes break fast in ramadan
i say facts in my religion
you don't accept it it is ok as you like
where is the problem
and if your time is very percious don't waste it here
you have things in your mind came from nonmoslems people
and you think that is islam
as you like but as amoslem i know it is not islam
also i know you don't search for truth
i know what are you doing here

 

[.lava]

From science of course the original atmosphere was very different to what it is now and fluctuates depending on Solar activity and of course Mankinds pollution.

from science of course- yes, of course and this is exactly my point. the only difference between you and me is that i also know it from Qur'an. are you gonna ignore this?

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[.lava]

Hi, may I have the answers for these questions which I asked before....

Thanks in advance.

your welcome in advance

what makes you think a Muslim who you happened to meet on internet would know about history of Sikh and why people were killed? we are nearly 2 billion people on Earth today. in different nations with different cultures and different languages. we are not one personality. please break that image of a Muslim in your mind then come back to me. i can't fit into those shapes. i am a simple human being and i'd ever been in India and i am not 1000 years old.

every day nearly a dozen Muslims get killed but people keep judging Muslims for being murderers. if you guys really believe murdering people is an ugly truth, tell me why would not you fight for present moment? i honestly do not get it at all. no offense, i am just saying.

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