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Islam, how much do you really know about it?

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pharon85

Member
Islam show every group who they are
quran show for believers who are the people who hate them and who are the people who can be near to them
also about hate
i don't know your religion
and you say
but you are some one want churches to stop ringing because it is is islamic countries
and no more adhan in western countries
you are saying that quran is divisive
wrong
it is all about god
who with god and who is not
truth could be hard but it is still truth
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
Alla Prima said:
I'm fine thank you.




A thief who does not steal on Tuesdays and Wednesdays is still a thief.

You cannot magically erase an abundance of intolerant verses with a few less intolerant verses (I'm not certain these you posted are all that tolerant). You're trying to have it both ways. If we are to accept the koran as a whole then we are to accept the abundance of hateful, divisive and intolerant Medinan verses as well as the more tolerant Meccan verses.
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verses that revealed during war time command to fight back. if one's nation was attacked by wrong doers, if families and innocent people were killed, women were raped...then yes, it is his right and above all it is a must to go out and to kill (this is what war is about) to protect people who depend on you. if this bothers you then you'd be one of those who sit and watch neighbours being murdered. your choice and i sure do not mind.

as you see, you choose to ignore some parts of Qur'an, just like those who you stand against. what a irony. you are alike.

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Alla Prima

Well-Known Member
pharon85 said:
you are saying that quran is divisive
wrong
it is all about god
who with god and who is not
truth could be hard but it is still truth
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Yes all about God. Who is with God and who isn't with God. Those who aren't have no spiritual good. Divisive and denigrating as well as insulting because most people reject Allah. I reject Allah yet I DO have spiritual good.

Now how does Islam explain my spiritual good when I clearly reject Allah? How is it that I can have spiritual good without Allah when Islam says I have no spiritual good without Allah? How is that possible?
 
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Alla Prima

Well-Known Member
.lava said:
as you see, you choose to ignore some parts of Qur'an, just like those who you stand against. what a irony. you are alike.
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You cannot proclaim no compulsion to religion in one breath then force religion on people in another and claim there is no compulsion to religion. We are not so stupid as to fall for that one.
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
Alla Prima said:
Yes all about God. Who is with God and who isn't with God. Those who aren't have no spiritual good. Divisive and denigrating as well as insulting because most people reject Allah. I reject Allah yet I DO have spiritual good.

Now how does Islam explain my spiritual good when I clearly reject Allah? How is it that I can have spiritual good without Allah when Islam says I have no spiritual good without Allah? How is that possible?
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how could you know if you did not know Allah?

yes, Qur'an says the only religion before Allah is Islam. it was Islam when Adam (PBUH) was on Earth and it was always ıslam with Noah(PBUH), Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH)...God says sharia has never changed. there were no different religions. every single Prophet explained the very same religion.

but, you know, being a Muslim is not equal being with God. being a non-Muslims is not equal being away from God. believe in God? you love God? what do you want if you love God? every single human being, regardless where they are from, who they are...etc when they love God, they want to be close to God, they want to reach God. that is the entrance of the right path that leads God. for anyone who loves God. but most love their ego more than they love God. so they follow what ego says...more, better...rule...have...more more more...

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.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
Alla Prima said:
You cannot proclaim no compulsion to religion in one breath then force religion on people in another and claim there is no compulsion to religion. We are not so stupid as to fall for that one.
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i never force religion on people. what makes you say that anyway? no proclaim at all. that is what Qur'an says, so i am obligated to practice cos i am willing to.

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pharon85

Member
Alla Prima said:
Yes all about God. Who is with God and who isn't with God. Those who aren't have no spiritual good. Divisive and denigrating as well as insulting because most people reject Allah. I reject Allah yet I DO have spiritual good.

Now how does Islam explain my spiritual good when I clearly reject Allah? How is it that I can have spiritual good without Allah when Islam says I have no spiritual good without Allah? How is that possible?
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can you explain for me what is spiritual good ??????
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
Alla Prima said:
You should know. It's Islam's term.
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the word 'spiritual' does not exist in Qur'an because spiritual is not even Arabic word. which verse it is used? translater probably did not know better word that covers the meaning of original word.
 
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Alla Prima

Well-Known Member
.lava said:
how could you know if you did not know Allah?

yes, Qur'an says the only religion before Allah is Islam. it was Islam when Adam (PBUH) was on Earth and it was always ?slam with Noah(PBUH), Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH)...God says sharia has never changed. there were no different religions. every single Prophet explained the very same religion.

but, you know, being a Muslim is not equal being with God. being a non-Muslims is not equal being away from God. believe in God? you love God? what do you want if you love God? every single human being, regardless where they are from, who they are...etc when they love God, they want to be close to God, they want to reach God. that is the entrance of the right path that leads God. for anyone who loves God. but most love their ego more than they love God. so they follow what ego says...more, better...rule...have...more more more...

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This doesn't answer my question. How is it possible that I can have spiritual good without Allah? How does Islam explain this?
 
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pharon85

Member
Alla Prima said:
Islam gave conquered peoples 3 choices.

1. Convert
2. Pay tax and be subdued
3. Killed

This is compulsion.
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if what you are saying is truth
why not all the people who lived in that countries converted to Islam
and how there are people with other religions live in Islamic countries
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
Alla Prima said:
This doesn't answer my question. How is it possible that I can have spiritual good without Allah? How does Islam explain this?
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OK, friend, i do not understand what expression 'spiritual good' refers to. please explain it. or tell me number of surah and verse and i would check it out.

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challupa

Well-Known Member
.lava said:
OK, friend, i do not understand what expression 'spiritual good' refers to. please explain it. or tell me number of surah and verse and i would check it out.

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I believe he means that he has spiritual worth even though he is not of the islamic religion (if I'm wrong please correct me Alla Prima). In my belief system we believe that all people no matter what religion have God's love and have "soul" worth. I think that is what he means.
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
challupa said:
I believe he means that he has spiritual worth even though he is not of the islamic religion (if I'm wrong please correct me Alla Prima). In my belief system we believe that all people no matter what religion have God's love and have "soul" worth. I think that is what he means.
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well, considering that entire universe, all the angels, all the satans, all the flowers, all the animals, all the stars...EVERYTHING...was created for HUMAN, then nobody can say people has no worth. i was told that God loves everyone. even the worst person on Earth is loved by God, God loves him for a reason. by things we do, either God loves us more or less but always loves. each human worth it.

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