Agondonter
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You sound like a spokesman for CAIR.No actually beliefs, show me that they are facts.
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Islam: Religion of Peace or Religion for War?
- Thread starter Marsh
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Salaam,
Sorry, but I need a bit more than that - can you please give some more examples of what you think constitute crimes or offences (that warrant being killed)?
Wassalaam
On what basis do you say Muhammad (s) was a murderer?
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Easy: subjective human interpretation. Why else are there different sects in Islam?
Given how most religious texts are very vague, clarification by 'scholars' is often needed. This alone highlights my point about subjective human interpretation.
For example: does that verse prohibit abortion, or does the "life" it talks about only mean people who're born?
What about killing apostates, which many muslims and imams support?
What about mercy killing i.e euthanasia?
Does it mean all sentient life?
Does it mean all biological life?
The questions can go on and on.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Salaam,
That sounds like an interpretation of the above Verse to me...
In any case, who is not innocent, in your opinion?
Wassalaam
Thank you for pointing that out, Ya'quub.
@Jabar do you see now how scripture (including the koran) is dependent on subjective human interpretation?
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
You see how that your interpretation is that specifically Qur'an is dependent on subjective human interpretation.
Yes, interpretation is vital.
However, when you have understanding, it will be explicit to you.
You have not done it, so jumping to conclusions would not be appropriate.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
You see how that your interpretation is that specifically Qur'an is dependent on subjective human interpretation.
Yes, interpretation is vital.
However, when you have understanding, it will be explicit to you.
You have not done it, so jumping to conclusions would not be appropriate.
No, all literature is dependent on subjective human interpretation. Practically everything in reality is, with the exception of Mathematics.
The koran is not like Mathematics: you cannot make objective calculations and predictions based off it, you cannot send humans to the moon using it.
Why else are there so many different opposing sects of Islam, and so many different interpretations/practices based off the scripture?
Agondonter
Active Member
It doesn't take much research to ascertain that Mohammed was a murderer. Apologists, along with the likes of CAIR and its cronies, depend on the gullibility of good-hearted and trusting people being too lazy to do research.
You can go to your local library, any number of history websites or http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
You can go to your local library, any number of history websites or http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
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Muhammad (s) ordered some targeted killings of some of his opponents in his battle to establish a safe place for himself and his followers to practice Islaam, yes. But this is different from murder.
Agondonter
Active Member
No, it's not. Whether you an apologist or a revisionist, Muhammad was a murderer and Islamic terrorists are following in his footsteps.
Do you believe war to be the same as murder?
Agondonter
Active Member
Look at the list of approved and supported killings. If you condone that, you are the moral equivalent of a murderer and terrorist.
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I believe Muhammad (s) did what was right in the context in which he found himself. I do not believe that makes me the moral equivalent of a murderer.
To come back to your earlier suggestion that Islaamic terrorists are following in his footsteps, if someone finds themself in a similar context to Muhammad (s) and is forced to make similar decisions, then they are indeed following in his footsteps, but they are not a terrorist. They are rather a good Muslim. There are others who claim to follow in his footsteps but insofar as they kill indiscriminately or without just cause and spread terror everywhere, they are not good Muslims. Some of them may not even be Muslims at all.
Agondonter
Active Member
Again, take a look at the list of approved and supported killings. Denial of the truth is something Satan does.
Face it. The defenders of the proposition that Islam is a religion of peace lost the debate. Their persistence makes them look more like Satan's minions than worshipers of the "all-merciful" and "all-compassionate" Allah.
Face it. The defenders of the proposition that Islam is a religion of peace lost the debate. Their persistence makes them look more like Satan's minions than worshipers of the "all-merciful" and "all-compassionate" Allah.
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If you are referring to me, I never said Islaam was a religion of peace. I will leave those who believe it is to continue to try to make their case, so their debate is not over yet.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Because they do not have true understanding of the Qur'an, brother.
They are brainwashed.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
Brother, quit insulting the Prophet and Allah S.W.A.T.
Give me one sufficient proof that Allah is not All-Merciful and All-Compassionate.
I have seen the list and I repeat, I believe Muhammad (s) did what was right in the context in which he found himself. I am not Satan, but rather their enemy.