Islam thread

[Pegg]

I think there are some misconceptions here regarding the characteristics of Allah and Mohammed. I'd like to talk to both of you about this, but without taking over this thread. Perhaps we can have start a discussion on the one-on-one(-on-one?) forum?

sure Cocolia,
Im more then happy to discuss any points you feel need to be addressed.

 

[Pegg]

Are you saying Prophet MuhammD (saws) did all that? He forced people to believe him and put his followers down? He wasnt forgiving nor tender? How many authentic hadiths have you read to get such an impression of Prophet Muhammad (saws)?

On side note, polygamy was practiced by many in bible.

My comment is regarding Jesus character...i have said nothing regarding Mohammads character.

Regarding polygamy, thats true. It was practiced by some in the bible.... it was even permitted in the law of moses (except for the kings it was forbidden). But it was done away with under Christ. He re-instituted Gods original standard for marriage as being 1 man and 1 woman. That is why christianity has always forbidden polygamy.
Mohammad came along several hundered years later and reinstituted something that God had revealed should be finished.

Jesus even put an end to divorce... he said once a couple has come together they are to become 'one' and no man should ever put that apart.

 

[*Account Closed*]

first off who said pets are not allowed!? the compainions of the prophets had pets!

 

[*Account Closed*]

My comment is regarding Jesus character...i have said nothing regarding Mohammads character.

Regarding polygamy, thats true. It was practiced by some in the bible.... it was even permitted in the law of moses (except for the kings it was forbidden). But it was done away with under Christ. He re-instituted Gods original standard for marriage as being 1 man and 1 woman. That is why christianity has always forbidden polygamy.
Mohammad came along several hundered years later and reinstituted something that God had revealed should be finished.

Jesus even put an end to divorce... he said once a couple has come together they are to become 'one' and no man should ever put that apart.

so it was permitted under the law of Moses eh? but Jesus got rid of it?

but then why did he(jesus) say this?

Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

 

[Pegg]

so it was permitted under the law of Moses eh? but Jesus got rid of it?

but then why did he(jesus) say this?

Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

In Isreal, the highest person in authority was the king... let me show you what law was given to him:

Deut 17:17 He should also not multiply wives for himself, that his heart may not turn aside; nor should he increase silver and gold for himself very much

This law was given in the 15th century BCE. But man had been practicing polygamy long before this...so when God chose Isreal to be his people, the practice was already well established. But God made it clear that the person leading his people should set the right example and so he forbade the kings from practicing polygamy.

So Jesus was upholding the Mosaic law... this law was Gods original standard for Adam and Eve...and it is the standard Jesus upheld
Matthew 19:4 In reply he said: “Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together let no man put apart.”
... as you can see, it is also in harmony with the mosaic law and the book of Genesis regarding the creation of Adam and Eve. (please note there was only one Eve, not several)

 

[Riverwolf]

first off who said pets are not allowed!? the compainions of the prophets had pets!

It's something I heard once from a Muslim. But if that's not the case, then cool; he (and thus I) was mistaken. Might have been a local or governmental law being dressed up as an Islamic law.

 

[Madhuri]

It's something I heard once from a Muslim. But if that's not the case, then cool; he (and thus I) was mistaken. Might have been a local or governmental law being dressed up as an Islamic law.

A Muslim told me only cats are allowed.

 

[Sumit]

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why arent you a muslim? what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?

I had many questions about Islam and Quran.

. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad

I too believe in oneness of god but not in prophets. For a second if I believe in prophet of God than can you tell me why Mohammad is final prophet?? Is the world now free from all types of evils??

2. Establishment of the daily prayers (5 a day)

Almost people of every religion of world offers prayer. Not five times. Does this matter if we pray 1 time, 5 times or ten times?

3. Concern for and almsgiving to the needy. giving a certain % of your wealth to the poor every year, called Zakat.

Again every religion of world favors to help needy.

4.Self-purification through fasting the month of Ramadan(the sick, elderly, the very young ...ect are excused)

We have Yoga & Meditation for purification of both body and mind. Also we fast during various occasion.
So why should we convert to Islam? At least I have no reasons to convert.

 

[GURSIKH]

Is it?
I tried reading parts of it but found it both difficult to understand due to terrible grammar and also incredibly boring and uninspiring. Maybe I read the wrong parts?

same here i too tried ,but to Dharmic audience it seems nothing more than a rule book .

To sum up
if you are Muslim then big breast, virgin houris are waiting for you in heaven .
otherwise you will be burnt in hell as Allah is merciful .

 

[Blackdog22]

just wanted to start a thread about Islam. the basics for our brothers and sister who dont know. also to clear any misconceptions.

also ask yourself the question, why arent you a muslim? what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?

The same reason you aren't a buddhist. Geography and possibly a more complete understanding of how the world works. I could be wrong about that last part however.

 

[Assad91]

To sum up
if you are Muslim then big breast, virgin houris are waiting for you in heaven .
otherwise you will be burnt in hell thats All .

That is a horrible summary and offensive as well. That is not even a matter of care to most.

How would you feel if someone did this about sikhism? Say all its about is growing long hair and carrying a knife?

 

[Assad91]

There is much more to islam then a belief of horis in jannah.

 

[Caladan]

just wanted to start a thread about Islam. the basics for our brothers and sister who dont know. also to clear any misconceptions.

also ask yourself the question, why arent you a muslim? what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?

There are many cultures which already practice prayer, fasting, charity or pilgrimage. Many of these cultures have been doing such things centuries before the appearance of Muhammad.

 

[nameless]

Well, I read Yusuf Ali's translation. It is absolutely gorgeous.

According to his translation, women should be beaten at certain cirumstances, is that so gorgeous?

 

[YmirGF]

just wanted to start a thread about Islam. the basics for our brothers and sister who don't know. also to clear any misconceptions.

Sadly, I don't have many misconceptions about Islam. That's part of why I would never dream of becoming a Muslim. To be fair though, I would also never consider to seriously accept ANY religion created by human animals, however, I still rate Islam very low in comparison to other religions. The good news is that I put it slightly higher than Scientology.

also ask yourself the question, why arent you a muslim?

It's largely because of my interactions with Muslims and learning about Islam, as it is, from Authentic Islamic sources, since Sept. 11, 2001.

what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?

Islam and the fact that I do not recognize Muhammad as a prophet. Then again, I don't have much use for any kind of so-called "prophets".

basics:

The 'Five Pillars' of Islam are the foundation of Muslim life:

1. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad(aswell as belief in every other prophet, there are estimated to be around 120,000+ prophets. some of which include Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Solomon, David, Yusuf.);

My ideas of god have transcended the conventional understanding of human animals in general. A few understand me, but not many. As it should be.

2. Establishment of the daily prayers (5 a day)

I simply do not accept the need of prayer and think that worship itself is a silly idea. I am quite aware that many other human animals do not share this opinion, but their reasons for disagreeing aren't terribly impressive.

3. Concern for and alms giving to the needy. giving a certain % of your wealth to the poor every year, called Zakat.

I give what I can, when I feel like it. There is no compulsion in compassion.

4.Self-purification through fasting the month of Ramadan(the sick, elderly, the very young ...ect are excused)

I do not recognize Ramadan and take a dim view of efforts at self-purification. The psychology behind so-called purification is not a pretty picture.

5. The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

I can think of far nicer places to visit than Saudi Arabia. Thanks anyways.

There is much more to islam then a belief of horis in jannah.

Yes, I know. The odd thing is that the more I learned about Islam, from Authentic Islamic sources, the less impressed I became. Islam is great if you are into circular logic.

 

[Rev Hydrogen]

To be frank, but with the intent of counseling and not
ridicule, I would never consider Islam because:
The whole religion exists on the presumption of the
literal interpretation of the actions of the said 'Adam and
Eve and the serpent in the Harden of Eden.
And the resultant imposed situation od the fall or the
invention and significance of 'sin'

Take away sin - You have nothing!
Nothing but the knowledge of early philosophers and poets
attempting to descr4ibre the non-physical world.

Evolution is a fact, Natural selection a very very good theory.
Creationism a.k.a. The Adam and Eve episode is the antithesis
of evolution and is an evil deception.

Yet many modern muslim will support evolution claiming all
science is provided for in the Quran?

And if they do so. they MUST forego the concept of sin.
(Happy to discuss).

To live in both worlds is a lie.
The vast majority of all religions are false by default
since they all differ.
There can only be one truth.
What is it to be... Evolution or Adam and Eve?

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[ChrisPine]

That is probably true because the grammar is so terrible. Forum Muslim members to find I really difficult to understand the meaning in quotation marks. I almost always unfortunately, you must ask a meaningful description.

 

[Vinayaka]

I could never be Islamic because I've always though for myself. If something (including stuff in my own faith) really doesn't resonate with me at all, out of my intuition, or common sense, well, I just don't bother. If I don't like a game I don't play it. If I don't like a movie, I quit watching it. If I don't like a certain food, I won't eat it. In essence, I'm an independent thinker, and in most branches of mt religion, that is encouraged, not discouraged.

 

[BruceDLimber]

I tried reading parts of [the Qur'an] but found it both difficult to understand due to terrible grammar, and also incredibly boring and uninspiring. Maybe I read the wrong parts?

More likely, you read a poor translation!

Please permit me to recommend that you send a postcard to the Saudi Arabian Embassy, 601 New Hampshire Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20037. You can request a Qur'an, which they will happily send you free!

And what you get will be a large, beautifully-bound book with a bilingual text on facing pages.

I'm sure you'll find this one far easier to read, as well as giving you something that will look good on your bookshelf.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[InvestigateTruth]

just wanted to start a thread about Islam. the basics for our brothers and sister who dont know. also to clear any misconceptions.

also ask yourself the question, why arent you a muslim? what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?

Well, because I believe Islam as prescribed by Allah had a period of 1000 years.
Every religion has a period, once its term is reached, Allah sends a new Messenger with New teachings for the New Age.