Flankerl
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Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
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Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
I was referring to the translation itself, not the contents of the book.
Like any holy book, the Qur'an itself has gorgeous and ugly parts.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
Every Muslim I know says dogs are haram.
That they are dirty and unclean.
I have a Muslim friend who would not come in my home when I still had my dog many years ago.
I found this on dogs and Islam
http://www.islamicconcern.com/dogs.asp
Dogs in Islam
Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with dogs. Unfortunately, many Muslims have used this view to justify the abuse and neglect of dogs, even though cruelty contradicts the Qur'an's view that all animals form "communities like you." We are pleased to present several articles examining the place of dogs in Islam.
Here is what sharia council has to say about dogs.
http://www.islamic-sharia.org/general/can-we-keep-a-dog-in-the-house-2.html
I always wondered why because there is a Qur'an story of the sleepers in the cave and they had dogs with them, watching over them.
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F0uad
Well-Known Member
Are you saying that Muslims aren't following monotheism? With all respect i belief that Islam is one of the most monotheistic religions out there.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
The Sh'mah, said by Jews.
Where do you get that Flankerl is saying Muslims don't follow monotheism?
Muslims have the Shahadah
Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill Allah."
I bear witness that there is no deity but Allah.
Wa ash-hadu ann Muhammad an-rasullulallah."
And I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
When a Muslim believes the Shahadah, the statement of faith one cannot be a part of another religion.
When I say the Sh'mah I am acknowledging my faith and my covenant and my G-d and my people. I cannot be anything other then a Jew.
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why arent you a muslim?
Submission for one thing,i don't get the prostration and submitting to the will of something you don't know is there,i don't have the faith which is what its all about,same for the Christian God.
There is also the fact that there is no visible benefit to being a Muslim,most majority Muslim countries are pretty dire places to live,Islam doesn't feed them or cure the sick.
There was a movie i watched called "The Horseman" starring Omar Shariff,he played a devout Muslim,to cut a long story short he fell off his Horse and broke his leg,he wrapped a page from the Qur'an around the wound but soon gangerene set in and his leg was amputated,now i'm not saying its because the Qur'an is rotten,The Qur'an is an interesting book with Surat Al-Naml perhaps my favourite but it doesn't offer any physical benefit to its followers,it will not feed the hungry or cure the sick,its only any good once you are dead,of course this is just MO.
I think Islam is going through the same things Christianity did in Europe in the 16th century,its divided like Catholics and Protestants were,there were many sects,they persecuted and fought each other for not believeing the right way according to either one and some still do to this day.
A Heretic would be burned to death,an Apostate of Islam could be and are stoned to death,Christianity has its disputed literature so does Islam,especially the ahadith in which some describe some horrific acts and practices that some take as a precedent to
do the same today,these are some reasons i am not a Muslim.
what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?
I have issues with slavery "what your right hand posseses" and torture for the unbeliever,"no compulsion in religion" unless your an Apostate,Women as baby machines with less rights than a Man and a book which appears to me to be authored by a medaeval Human,although in the context of the time it was pretty cool doesn't appear very good in the present to me.
As for the five pillars:
1. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad(aswell as belief in every other prophet, there are estimated to be around 120,000+ prophets. some of which include Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Solomon, David, Yusuf.);
How do you know if they were real prophets?
2. Establishment of the daily prayers (5 a day)
Better than 50
3. Concern for and almsgiving to the needy. giving a certain % of your wealth to the poor every year, called Zakat.
Many people give freely to help others and have done before Islam and without instructions from a book.
4.Self-purification through fasting the month of Ramadan(the sick, elderly, the very young ...ect are excused)
I don't see that as a bad thing.
5. The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.[/quote]
I'd like to go to Makkah,not for the same reasons though,more sightseeing the history.
Submission for one thing,i don't get the prostration and submitting to the will of something you don't know is there,i don't have the faith which is what its all about,same for the Christian God.
There is also the fact that there is no visible benefit to being a Muslim,most majority Muslim countries are pretty dire places to live,Islam doesn't feed them or cure the sick.
There was a movie i watched called "The Horseman" starring Omar Shariff,he played a devout Muslim,to cut a long story short he fell off his Horse and broke his leg,he wrapped a page from the Qur'an around the wound but soon gangerene set in and his leg was amputated,now i'm not saying its because the Qur'an is rotten,The Qur'an is an interesting book with Surat Al-Naml perhaps my favourite but it doesn't offer any physical benefit to its followers,it will not feed the hungry or cure the sick,its only any good once you are dead,of course this is just MO.
I think Islam is going through the same things Christianity did in Europe in the 16th century,its divided like Catholics and Protestants were,there were many sects,they persecuted and fought each other for not believeing the right way according to either one and some still do to this day.
A Heretic would be burned to death,an Apostate of Islam could be and are stoned to death,Christianity has its disputed literature so does Islam,especially the ahadith in which some describe some horrific acts and practices that some take as a precedent to
do the same today,these are some reasons i am not a Muslim.
what is it that keeps you from being a muslim?
I have issues with slavery "what your right hand posseses" and torture for the unbeliever,"no compulsion in religion" unless your an Apostate,Women as baby machines with less rights than a Man and a book which appears to me to be authored by a medaeval Human,although in the context of the time it was pretty cool doesn't appear very good in the present to me.
As for the five pillars:
1. Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad(aswell as belief in every other prophet, there are estimated to be around 120,000+ prophets. some of which include Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Solomon, David, Yusuf.);
How do you know if they were real prophets?
2. Establishment of the daily prayers (5 a day)
Better than 50
3. Concern for and almsgiving to the needy. giving a certain % of your wealth to the poor every year, called Zakat.
Many people give freely to help others and have done before Islam and without instructions from a book.
4.Self-purification through fasting the month of Ramadan(the sick, elderly, the very young ...ect are excused)
I don't see that as a bad thing.
5. The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.[/quote]
I'd like to go to Makkah,not for the same reasons though,more sightseeing the history.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
Maybe he didn't know what the shema is? Not many outside of Jews know what the shema is and what it represents. In a way it is like the islamic shahada.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
Then before he gets his back up he should read what it means.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
Both the Hebrew and English were there.
What I would expect is that before one attacks another they at least have an idea of what they have read.
islam abduallah
Active Member
the quran wasn't revealed in English, it was revealed in Arabic and what you read or the members posting is due to the translation not of the Arabic original text
if you know the ancient Arabs were kings in poems and texts and so Allah challenged them to write a book likr the quran then they failed, so the challenge went lower to be only 10 chapters then they failed, so the challenge become only to get one chapter like a chapter of the quran and they also failed
islam abduallah
Active Member
you read it right but unfortuantly you didn't understand it
according to Islam, you are worshiping a fake god and so you are exposing yourself to the hell fire
islam abduallah
Active Member
the prophet himself had a cat
F0uad
Well-Known Member
So by citing that prahse i need to know that that person means by it?
Are you saying that a person could have not assumed that Islam is not monotheistic?
Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
Vanakkam
Seeing some answers here, I don't remember seeing "muslims hate tread" in the title or anything offensive from the OP....So if we could just share our view AND respect each other, that would be great...
Why I'm not muslim ? Let's take a look:
- I didn't even knew Islam existed before the whole Jihad and terrorism thing bursted up...So I've had a very, very bad view of Islam. "these guys want to kill me, what did I do to them ?! They are unfair and creepy !"
- I stayed away of Islam for most of the time because there was still this view in my head.
- I met muslims and learned to understand and respect the customs (ramadan, etc), I discovered that many regular muslims didn't wanted to kill me and that they actually didn't care at all about my religious beliefs.
- I still maintained a distance, because in daily life I was respecting they way to be, but many of them did not (I was insulted by a child for eating something while ramadan. Chill out kid, you're in france ?)
- Made muslims friends, discovered that actually, the great majority of muslims here were peaceful and good persons. Islam have a very, very bad reputation because of a few ones, but those few ones have so much big mouth they seems to speak for every muslim, while they are not.
- Now I'm neutral on the subject. I slowly begin to find beauty in some aspects of Islams, I enjoy reading Kuran quotes around here, even if I bear in mind that yes, like everywhere else there are some "ugly" parts. But in my view, what other qualify as "ugly" parts are just a bunch of cultural differences that I cannot understand, and cannot adhere too since I wasn't raised in the same culture.
Why I'm not a mulsim then ?
I do recognize there is one God, this God came to me, made me realize a path, I took this path and feel very happy with it. I keep my mind open to every other religion, I respect other's choices as long as they respect mine. But I have my path and I want to explore it more.
When I begin eating a cookie, I don't leave it to take another one before it's finished. And if I finish the cookie and feel satisfied, I won't take another one.
About ramadan, well, Hindu have fasting days too, so whatever.
Praying five time a day ? Okay why not praying, but I don't want to feel obligated to pray a specific times at days....I think the best times it's when it's truly from the heart. The problem with specific schedule, is that for some people it become automatic and they feel less bhakti
As for Prophet Muhammad, I have the same opinion as Jesus. I wasn't there, so I can't tell.
I find beauty in Allah, but I don't find beauty in many rules. And in the concept of hell and punishment
As a woman I am willing to be virtuous and modest, this is something I learned from Hindu faith and that I also find in some part of Islam. I have an man, and I won't look at anyone else, or tolerate any approach from another man, I consider this normal to have loyalty to each other when you are a couple in love. However I believe I am totally able to be a virtuous and respectful woman without having a bunch of strict rules and vestimentary codes. I'm not criticizing it, it's just that I don't feel having a choice from the Islam point of view.
Just a difference of opinion and cultural view. But to each one's his/her path, I don't believe in true/false or higher/lesser religion. I have my way, people have theirs, and I deeply respect others people opinions and path as long as they respect mine. I'm not telling them to accept mine, just to respect the fact that I'm following a different way than their.
Isn't our final goal the same ? God. So let's all reach this goal in peace
Aum Namah Shivaya
Seeing some answers here, I don't remember seeing "muslims hate tread" in the title or anything offensive from the OP....So if we could just share our view AND respect each other, that would be great...
Why I'm not muslim ? Let's take a look:
- I didn't even knew Islam existed before the whole Jihad and terrorism thing bursted up...So I've had a very, very bad view of Islam. "these guys want to kill me, what did I do to them ?! They are unfair and creepy !"
- I stayed away of Islam for most of the time because there was still this view in my head.
- I met muslims and learned to understand and respect the customs (ramadan, etc), I discovered that many regular muslims didn't wanted to kill me and that they actually didn't care at all about my religious beliefs.
- I still maintained a distance, because in daily life I was respecting they way to be, but many of them did not (I was insulted by a child for eating something while ramadan. Chill out kid, you're in france ?)
- Made muslims friends, discovered that actually, the great majority of muslims here were peaceful and good persons. Islam have a very, very bad reputation because of a few ones, but those few ones have so much big mouth they seems to speak for every muslim, while they are not.
- Now I'm neutral on the subject. I slowly begin to find beauty in some aspects of Islams, I enjoy reading Kuran quotes around here, even if I bear in mind that yes, like everywhere else there are some "ugly" parts. But in my view, what other qualify as "ugly" parts are just a bunch of cultural differences that I cannot understand, and cannot adhere too since I wasn't raised in the same culture.
Why I'm not a mulsim then ?
I do recognize there is one God, this God came to me, made me realize a path, I took this path and feel very happy with it. I keep my mind open to every other religion, I respect other's choices as long as they respect mine. But I have my path and I want to explore it more.
When I begin eating a cookie, I don't leave it to take another one before it's finished. And if I finish the cookie and feel satisfied, I won't take another one.
About ramadan, well, Hindu have fasting days too, so whatever.
Praying five time a day ? Okay why not praying, but I don't want to feel obligated to pray a specific times at days....I think the best times it's when it's truly from the heart. The problem with specific schedule, is that for some people it become automatic and they feel less bhakti
As for Prophet Muhammad, I have the same opinion as Jesus. I wasn't there, so I can't tell.
I find beauty in Allah, but I don't find beauty in many rules. And in the concept of hell and punishment
As a woman I am willing to be virtuous and modest, this is something I learned from Hindu faith and that I also find in some part of Islam. I have an man, and I won't look at anyone else, or tolerate any approach from another man, I consider this normal to have loyalty to each other when you are a couple in love. However I believe I am totally able to be a virtuous and respectful woman without having a bunch of strict rules and vestimentary codes. I'm not criticizing it, it's just that I don't feel having a choice from the Islam point of view.
Just a difference of opinion and cultural view. But to each one's his/her path, I don't believe in true/false or higher/lesser religion. I have my way, people have theirs, and I deeply respect others people opinions and path as long as they respect mine. I'm not telling them to accept mine, just to respect the fact that I'm following a different way than their.
Isn't our final goal the same ? God. So let's all reach this goal in peace
Aum Namah Shivaya
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Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
How is saying..................
An attack? It isn't a personal attack. Due to a misunderstanding, it seems maybe a bit defensive, but that is it. He asked for clarification and then stated his opinion of Islam being "one of the most monotheistic religion out there". This is in no way an attack.
Please, every time a muslim replies, is not an attack.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
Before you say:
Are you saying that Muslims aren't following monotheism? With all respect i belief that Islam is one of the most monotheistic religions out there.
in response to:
Originally Posted by Flankerl
Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
You should know what the phrase means.
Hear Israel
The Lord our God
The Lord is One
It is very clear what it means.
It has nothing to do with Islam.
It does not question Islams monotheism.
It is simply what Jews say daily to acknowledge what we believe.
I think it is a misundestanding and its better to just move on.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
Which of course, you should also note, was completely irrelevant to even say in this thread, and the fact that it was the ONLY thing said without any explanation, was up to be a point of confusion.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
Foud said:
Are you saying that Muslims aren't following monotheism? With all respect i belief that Islam is one of the most monotheistic religions out there.
Maybe not an attack but very clearly took a statement that Jews say daily and got from it that Muslims aren't following monotheism.
That was a huge jump.
When a Muslim says the Shahada they cannot think of following another religion even one that is monotheistic.
When a Jew says the Sh'ma we cannot think of following another religion in this case Islam.
But I do wonder how one can read the Sh'ma and then think maybe that person was insinuating that Islam is not monotheistic.
But ok I will step back from a personal attack.
It was a leap.
If the shoe were on the other foot and I said why can't a Muslim just be Jewish and you stated what the Shahada says.
I would understand that to be Muslim means to believe in G-d and accept Muhammad as his prophet.
It would be clear to me.