So the only way out of a loveless abusive marriage is to commit adultery?.
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So the only way out of a loveless abusive marriage is to commit adultery?.
That is not as simple an answer as you might think. While there is lore, there aren't any holy books that can be compared to the Bible or Qur'an; by the time our lore was written down, Christianity had pretty much taken over, to the point where the lore-writers were by and large Christian themselves.
As for the religion's name, well... it doesn't really have one. Suffice to say that it is a combination of my ancestral beliefs as I know them.
How many Gods do I believe in? Too many to count. However, I focus my devotions to only a few. I'm loyal to the Wandering King of the North, but also of the Lady of Wisdom, and to the Great Mother who has been with me all my life.
But if you want to know why I have many instead of one, the answer is found in why you only have one instead of many.
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
It would be impossible for God to speak to another man more truly than He would speak to me.
So I can't accept any other person as a truer prophet than myself.
islam abduallah
Active Member
i was hoping to answer you by 1 or 0 yes or no, but after thinking if really i met a person like that i think i'll have a deep chat with him/her and i want to know if he believes in quran, Allah, prophecy of Mohamed, too many things to know why he rejects this punishment is it cuz of being stubborn or misunderstanding, or against what he was rose up with, many other possibilities, it really need deep chat and conversations
i know a sister who accepted Islam recently but she still has doubts about somethings like adultery, homosexual but she accepted the core of Islam the Quran and so she's already Muslim
again i'm sorry for not answering you directly, i really hoped to do but not possible
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
islam abduallah, you seem almost shocked that people would know the basic message of Islam but would still reject it. Quite a few of us read the Qur'an, but have not converted to Islam. Quite a few of us have also read the Qur'an and are quite disagreeable with its dogmatic points. I have doubts that it genuinely sounds bizarre to you, as it is no secret that many members here have completely different philosophies and world views from Islamic dogma, and its not very likely that their eyes 'would be opened to the truth of Islam'. You consider Islam to be the absolute and only truth, many other people have convictions which lie elsewhere. You are going to save a lot of energies for you and other people if you simply accept that fact.
Islam does not resonate with many of us. I read many sacred texts, and in the criteria of philosophical values I would not rate the Qur'an among the best sacred texts I read. I think the Tao Te Ching for example is more inspiring.
It is not about misunderstanding or being stubborn, and frankly its quite insulting to say that these are the only reasons for not converting to Islam. It is about the ability to decide what resonates with our own intellect and values.
Islam does not resonate with many of us. I read many sacred texts, and in the criteria of philosophical values I would not rate the Qur'an among the best sacred texts I read. I think the Tao Te Ching for example is more inspiring.
It is not about misunderstanding or being stubborn, and frankly its quite insulting to say that these are the only reasons for not converting to Islam. It is about the ability to decide what resonates with our own intellect and values.
islam abduallah
Active Member
i think the problem isn't in me, it's in who talk on behalf of others, you said about me what i don't feel or say, i have no problem that the majority of people will reject Islam, i know it since day 1, even the quran itself says that "And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah" 6:116
you add nothing indeed
you add nothing indeed
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
If you want to play the self righteousness game, go ahead. Can't say I am surprised.
Its an already known pattern. We are either misunderstanding, stubborn, in danger of going to hell, or worse mislead people from God.
Its the kind of circular reasoning and appeal to emotion we have seen over and over again, simply because we do not accept someone's dogma.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Observing Muslim societies would give him good reasons for rejecting Islam.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
That is an important point that I raised and has been ignored so far. If Islam is the truth, then Muslims are not doing a decent job in shining this truth. Many Muslim societies are suffering from many problems, they do not shine an example of an ideal way of life to follow.
In addition many other people already have their prophets, sacred texts, sacred sites, charity network. And many of these people believe that this social frame is better functioning than the Islamic one.
It's okay. Perhaps I was being a bit unfair, anyway. I'd had a long evening, and it was 1 o' clock in the morning over here. ^_^
Pastek
Sunni muslim
But where do those gods come from ? I tried to make some research with those names, but found nothing.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
it might seem hilarious to you, but I think God has explained that divorce is not something to be taken lightly:
Malachi 2:13 And this is the second thing that YOU people do, [this resulting in] covering with tears the altar of Jehovah, with weeping and sighing, so that there is no more a turning toward the gift offering or a taking of pleasure [in anything] from YOUR hand. 14 And YOU have said, On what account? On this account, that Jehovah himself has borne witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you yourself have dealt treacherously, although she is your partner and the wife of your covenant....And YOU people must guard yourselves respecting YOUR spirit, and with the wife of your youth may no one deal treacherously. 16 For he has hated a divorcing,
Jesus reiterated this when he said "What God has yolked together, let no man put apart"
These are my names for them.
The Wandering King of the North is Alfather Odin; my mother's heritage is therein. The Lady of Wisdom is Pallas Athena, from whose city my father's fathers hail. The Great Mother is... the Great Mother, who is known through all the world and through all times.
Where do they come from? I see no relevance in such a question, and I don't know anyhow. No one does. Sure there are stories, but even the best ones are, at heart, just the stories of men about their gods. They are not necessarily accurate.
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Oh, there's no need to worry about that. What God has yolked together, no man can put apart, if he truly be God.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
free will would state otherwise
So human will is stronger than God's will?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i doubt that, while he allows us to make choices, he doesnt let us get away without facing the consequences of them.
I don't think you understood.
If something is God's will, it will be done, regardless of what anyone else wants or tries to do. I don't care how much free will you have, you're not going to punch through a six inch brick wall.
Therefore, I don't believe marriage works like that. Divorce is hardly a negative thing in all instances; in many cases, it's preferable in fact.
-Peacemaker-
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Being able to write properly is a prerequisite skill for people who wish to be influencers. It is through one's writing that their intellect and level of education is judged. It's why a huge barrier is created between author and reader when the former can't even communicate a clear thesis in his message. From what I can see, the Koran is a piece of writing without focus. In fact it reads like just a bunch of random thoughts strung together. This writing style may appear "otherworldly" to some. Incoherent rambling is a more fair description from my pov.
I don't think many Arabic linguists would agree that it's "incoherent rambling" at all, even non-Muslim ones.
What translation(s) of the Qur'an have you read?
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