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Islam vs western values

Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
No, it's what I have been saying since this sub-conversation between us started.
It is the point you have been doing your outmost best to miss / avoid since my first post on the subject.



No misapplying on my end.
Only strawmen and professional dodge-ball tactics on your end.



You can not.

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Prove me wrong
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I am married to my wife, so I squash any and all other feelings. I just proved I can control my feelings.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
SkepticThinker said:
Nope. This is the point the rest of us have been making to you (and you've been avoiding) since the start of the thread.
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Only in the figment of your imaginations. Just because you all sound like sheeples bleating the same mantra doesn't mean it is true.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
1213 said:
Anyone who supports mandatory taxes is a socialist/communist. It doesn't matter, if such a person is called left wing or right wing, because they both are socialists and I think socialism is evil legalized theft, both from right to left. Tragic thing is that super rich people manage to lure poor people in socialism, because it is the way to make them poor and miserable slaves for the rich.
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This... is just unbelievable.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
1213 said:
Anyone who supports mandatory taxes is a socialist/communist. It doesn't matter, if such a person is called left wing or right wing, because they both are socialists and I think socialism is evil legalized theft, both from right to left. Tragic thing is that super rich people manage to lure poor people in socialism, because it is the way to make them poor and miserable slaves for the rich.
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1213

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ppp said:
...super-rich people are legalized theives exhorting and stealing from the poor, and the middle class, and the upper classes beneath them in a grand MLM scheme.
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Please explain what do you mean with that?
 
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1213

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ppp said:
You are skirting the fact that in the verse you cited that the choice was entirely her father's. Moreover, that verse treats it as a decision of property value. Did he get enough money to compensate from his damaged goods?
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Do we agree on that it means, the woman didn't necessary end up being married to the rapist? Do you have a scripture that tells the womand had to marry the man?
 
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1213

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danieldemol said:
Not true, i support having some means of production government owned, but see no need to have all of them government owned. That would not even qualify me as a socialist let alone a communist in my view.
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If you have to pay taxes, you basically are renting the means of production from the government that fools you to believe you own something.
 
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1213

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stevecanuck said:
Not according to verse 2:223 - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

There are also several verses that say Muslims can have sex with "those who your right hands possess." You know, slaves and captives of war.
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That is from Quran? I have no reason to defend Quran, but, I don't think that means woman can't do anything to prevent it.
 
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SkepticThinker said:
Being raped isn't "having sex.:" It's rape.
How do you suggest a woman "avoid having sex" with a rapist she was forced to marry? Do tell.
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For example not being in a situation where it would be possible. However, I don't think Bible tells the woman must marry in the situation, only that the man must, unless the victims family doesn't accept it.
 
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1213

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SkepticThinker said:
Sounds like it's the father's decision. No matter how you slice it here, it seems that men are always making decisions for the woman. She apparently gets no input.
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What father would not listen to his daughter? I think the reason why the system was so is that the men are more able to protect the women. As I think this discussion shows, women have no capability to protect themselves.

Also, is there a scripture that tells the woman must marry? That the man would have to, doesn't necessary mean that the woman has to accept it.
 
ppp

ppp

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1213 said:
If you have to pay taxes, you basically are renting the means of production from the government that fools you to believe you own something.
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All taxes? Should you be taxed to pay for roads? Just how much of a non-tax extremist are you?
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Kenny said:
Only in the figment of your imaginations. Just because you all sound like sheeples bleating the same mantra doesn't mean it is true.
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Riiight. It's always everybody else. ;)

You know, if several people were all saying the same thing to me, I might take some time for a little introspection. Just a thought.
 
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