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Islam will dominate!

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
If you want to change the world, if you want to stop bad things from happening, you can't just change our government. You have to influence people to make good choices. If you want to change us, it can't be done by coercion. Do you want people to do what's right out of fear? Or out of a love for their brothers and sisters? The solution to the evil and destruction in the world is not better laws. It's better people.

Me change the world. I am but a spit in the seas. I can not change nothing. The only thing I can change is myself and my kids. To be prepared and protected from the dwarfing evil that is coming our way from Secular Satanica.

Can I ask you a question? What exactly is it about secularism that is wrong? I don't understand why you dislike it so much.

From its Capitalisim secular instruments and its trade barriers.

From its Blind forign policy that we marvel at each day.

From its Dwarfing social instruments that decended mankind into utter darkness.

From its Globlisation and gloable export to planet earth of its much tawted systems.

From its diverative economical armagaddon right upto its currency inflation.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
From its Capitalisim secular instruments and its trade barriers.

From its Blind forign policy that we marvel at each day.

From its Dwarfing social instruments that decended mankind into utter darkness.

From its Globlisation and gloable export to planet earth of its much tawted systems.

From its diverative economical armagaddon right upto its currency inflation.

is it really the system itself or quality and intention of men who run it?

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xkatz

Well-Known Member
Basically what .lava and DavyCrocket2003 say is spot IMO. Many of the things that happen in gov't are the result of choices people make, whether good or bad choices.

To get back to the main issue, I think the problem with 301ouncer's argument is:

1) Theocracy would mean that the majority religion has most of the powers and the minorities are either marginalized or do not have any political power.

2) Theocracy assumes that a country will always keep it's "majority" religion

3) Theocracy would almost certainly mean that clerics would have some sway over the gov't and it's policies, since they interpret the religion and ideology of the gov't

4) What .lava and DavyCrocket2003 basically said

5) A theocracy's people aren't somehow immune to the evils that 301ouncer claim exist in secular society

6) If a theocratic gov't wanted to prevent "evil" acts being committed and enforce prevention, they would basically have to use thought police and/or paramilitary, which would be violating basic human rights and would infringe upon peoples lives and/or safety
 
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DavyCrocket2003

Well-Known Member
Indeed only a decent christian would understand. None of the many many posters can comperhend what is happening let alone understand. This just proved my point that secular satanica is intellectually bankrupt.



us against them? they already have started this mentality by destroying the meaning of believe and faith in higher being and intellegence. Go out of your home. What do you see? majority are walking zombies.
I go out of my home every day. And do you know what I see? I see people. Real live people. They care about their families. They struggle with problems. They go to work and to school. They want to do good with their lives. They meet people and make friends. In fact, today I was talking to my Chemistry lab partner. He is from Nepal. He is here going to school so that he can get a good job and make an impact in the world. He is having a hard time understanding our teacher because he is not used to her accent. He is really smart and a really nice guy. I can't wait to get to know him better. He doesn't have a lot of friends here in the US because he just got here. He's not an evil guy. In my humanities through the arts class, we have been learning about Islamic art. Although no one in our class is Muslim, we have all enjoyed learning more about the Islamic style and the religion that it stems from. Today we learned about (the?) Mathnawi. The frame tale that sets up this work is very moving and teaches a great truth about life. We all felt the truth of this beautiful analogy. We really have been cut from our home, and hollowed out. So while we are here, we feel a longing, a sadness, a loneliness. We long to return to our true home, in heaven where we came from. We learned about Sufi poetry. It is easy to see why Muslims become very upset when people depict Muhammad in a negative light. Considering it is blasphemous to even make an image of man. In fact, it would appear that our very way of life is in opposition to many of the values of Islam. It is sad. We do not want to cause contention. We want to get along. We want to live and let live. But unfortunately, a combination of things now has many people like you considering us the great evil of the world. Also, there are people in my own country who consider Islam a great threat to our peace and happiness. It shouldn't be. We share so much in common.

301 Ouncer, I promise that I am telling you the truth. Me, and the people where I live as a whole, do not want any trouble for you, or anyone else. We just wish everyone could get along. True, we are mostly ignorant and make mistakes. But the answer isn't harsh rhetoric and talk of domination. What we need is education and enlightenment.


Secular satanica is the evil that mankind has never seen in its human history. It is a system that turns the majority into self-indulging, worldy, desire and lust seeking, Godless and God denying sub humans:
No. A government can't make it's people good or bad. They do that themselves.
Secular satanica is a system that is dwarfing mankind like it has never before into carrying out actions on WMD scales. From the east to the west and back again to the east:

Total crimes (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.
You know, crime has actually decreased a lot for the last three years. Unfortunately I think that is a result of the economy and not people becoming better. I think you're right though, crime is increasing throughout the world. You think an Islamic government would fix everything? I don't. I think that the only way to fix this problem is to fix people. And that can only happen one person at a time. So let me ask you about that. How do you think we can better influence people to choose good things?
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
How exactly would an ideal theocracy work 301ouncer? I really am curious.

DavyCrocket2003,

I think 301ouncer somehow thinks a theocracy is "less evil" than a secular system and somehow, religion and/or religious institutions mixed with gov't make a society better and more moral. However, as I pointed out above, their are many flaws with such ideas. However, I cannot speak 301ouncer, only he can explain it fully to you.
 

DavyCrocket2003

Well-Known Member
Us against them? they already have started this mentality by destroying the meaning of believe and faith in higher being and intellegence.http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
Then let's not let them succeed. Let us realize that this is not an "us against them." Because if we give in to that way of thinking, it becomes us against ourselves really. We all lose. Please. I am serious. I honestly do care. I want things to get better as much as you do (I suppose that is an unproven assumption, but I do care a great deal). If only you could visit me for a few weeks and see what things are really like here. I think you would realize that it isn't as bad as you think. I bet it would do me good to be able to do the same thing and visit you.

Also, just because a society is not a theocracy, doesn't mean it rejects God or religious belief. In fact, I think that not having a theocracy encourages more religious belief. And also more genuine religious belief. I mean, when there is a state religion, most people go with it just because it's convenient. When there is no state religion, and people can explore whatever beliefs they want, they are much more likely to question their beliefs and seek to improve them. And they are much more likely to discover truth. :D
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Also, just because a society is not a theocracy, doesn't mean it rejects God or religious belief. In fact, I think that not having a theocracy encourages more religious belief. And also more genuine religious belief. I mean, when there is a state religion, most people go with it just because it's convenient. When there is no state religion, and people can explore whatever beliefs they want, they are much more likely to question their beliefs and seek to improve them. And they are much more likely to discover truth. :D

Absolutely true!
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
i agree too. this is why there's a verse in Qur'an that say "Let there be no compulsion in religion". for some reason it is not practiced even though sincerity matters more than anything else

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I think that the verses in every religion that speak of peace and acceptance are often ignored. People like power, they like to dominate, they have BIG egos! I think that what many people focus on in their religion is often the opposite of what the actual point is.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
I think that the verses in every religion that speak of peace and acceptance are often ignored. People like power, they like to dominate, they have BIG egos! I think that what many people focus on in their religion is often the opposite of what the actual point is.

sad but true

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DavyCrocket2003

Well-Known Member
I think that the verses in every religion that speak of peace and acceptance are often ignored. People like power, they like to dominate, they have BIG egos! I think that what many people focus on in their religion is often the opposite of what the actual point is.
Yeah no kidding. Like how Jesus taught that all the law and the prophets rested on loving God and loving your neighbor. Where did that turn into "do whatever you want and just claim faith in Christ and you're good."
 

Satsangi

Active Member
I was under the impression that Sufism is dying out gradually, also due to oppression and violence against them. But I cannot remember why I have this idea. Why do you think it will overtake the other sects?

Madhuri,

Out of each and every sect of Islam, only Sufism has grasped the meaning of the religion and they have a tradition of living masters. In the end, only the TRUTH is the winner. The other Islamic sects are already corrupted with people who are extremists.

301 ouncer is only one of the specimen here who represent the tip of the iceberg. They do not hesitate to lie or favor killing in the name of God. These people ignore the facts and have a culture of paranoia that the whole world is against them. You can debate with a eprson who recognizes the facts, they do not. They just believe their own world of paranoia, superiority complex arising out of inferiority complex in them.

More I see and hear to 301 ouncer and the likes, more I think that George W. Bush really interpreted the islamic extremism and terrorism correctly. I may not agree with his actions, but Mr Bush's assessment was correct.

Regards,
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Yeah no kidding. Like how Jesus taught that all the law and the prophets rested on loving God and loving your neighbor. Where did that turn into "do whatever you want and just claim faith in Christ and you're good."

Yup, we see it everywhere. I actually had two young Christian missionaries from a new church that I can't remember the name of. They were telling me how one only has to consider Jesus one's saviour. They said that they disagree with Catholicism because Catholics think that doing good is important too. lol. My dad is actually a Christian priest and always emphasises the important of loving one's neighbour and seeing God in all things. That seems amongst the most important of Jesus' teachings.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Madhuri,

Out of each and every sect of Islam, only Sufism has grasped the meaning of the religion and they have a tradition of living masters. In the end, only the TRUTH is the winner. The other Islamic sects are already corrupted with people who are extremists.

301 ouncer is only one of the specimen here who represent the tip of the iceberg. They do not hesitate to lie or favor killing in the name of God. These people ignore the facts and have a culture of paranoia that the whole world is against them. You can debate with a eprson who recognizes the facts, they do not. They just believe their own world of paranoia, superiority complex arising out of inferiority complex in them.

More I see and hear to 301 ouncer and the likes, more I think that George W. Bush really interpreted the islamic extremism and terrorism correctly. I may not agree with his actions, but Mr Bush's assessment was correct.

Regards,

But this is Kali yuga. Do you think things will get better or worse?

Btw, I can't agree with what you said about Bush. He was too wrong in every respect for me to take anything seriously.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
But this is Kali yuga. Do you think things will get better or worse?

what's Kali Yuga?

yea unfortunately nothing is going to get better before it gets really worse .. you know, as they say, it is the darkest before dawn. i really like this saying

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Satsangi

Active Member
But this is Kali yuga. Do you think things will get better or worse?

Btw, I can't agree with what you said about Bush. He was too wrong in every respect for me to take anything seriously.

Kali Yuga is still in its infancy and things will get worse much much more before finally the Truth wins. At the height of Kali Yuga, people will remember Mr. Bush. He may have been wrong about many things, but he had the right perception of the threat posed by islamic extremism.

Regards,
 
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