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Israel attacks gaza strip

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darkendless

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suprise :eek:


what? that make you sad? blame Israel


you're not that smart, right?
understand, if they take out all boys and girls, how come they enjoy their time in the future?
more over, unemployment could destroy israel, due to no work for the soldiers, oh ,,, wait, now i understand why palestininas enforce zionists to kill them, oh those palestinians, they are smart.

Of course you'd blame Israel, just like most other muslims out there, regardless if they know what the situation is or not. Blind support not rational decisions.

Palestine (or Hamas) are quite stupid, just like everyone else who thinks Jews should be eliminated. The Jews are peaceful, if anything, the warlike arabs should be eliminated to let the region once again prosper. The world doesn't want to help Palestine because Palestine vioces hatred. Why do they deserve help when they'd love to see Israel burned to the ground?
 

Elessar

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even if temple was rebuilt, it would not be the original one. but Al Aqsa is original.

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G-d commanded the Temple be built on that spot, and Shlomo built it. It was destroyed once, burned to the ground by the Babylonians. We rebuilt it once, and that new Temple was just as valid as the one built by Shlomo. A new Jewish Temple, in Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount, is the ultimate goal, at the very least, of every Orthodox Jew, many Conservative Jews, and some Reform Jews, as well as ALL Messianic Jews and MOST Christians.
 

challupa

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What would happen if the Temple ever replaced Al Aqsa? Would it be even worse then what is happening now?
 

.lava

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G-d commanded the Temple be built on that spot, and Shlomo built it. It was destroyed once, burned to the ground by the Babylonians. We rebuilt it once, and that new Temple was just as valid as the one built by Shlomo. A new Jewish Temple, in Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount, is the ultimate goal, at the very least, of every Orthodox Jew, many Conservative Jews, and some Reform Jews, as well as ALL Messianic Jews and MOST Christians.


what i understood from your post is, not the building itself but the spot means something to Jewish people. would not it be possible to use al Aqsa as mosque and temple at the same time?

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Elessar

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what i understood from your post is, not the building itself but the spot means something to Jewish people. would not it be possible to use al Aqsa as mosque and temple at the same time?

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The Temple took up the whole of the Temple Mount, and Jews believe that sacrifice must be taken to G-d at an altar, prepared in a very special place within the Temple, in addition to the remaking of the Kadosh Hakadoshim, or Holy of Holies. There are very, very specific designs for the Temple and the preceding Tabernacle in the Hebrew Scriptures.
 

TashaN

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The Temple took up the whole of the Temple Mount, and Jews believe that sacrifice must be taken to G-d at an altar, prepared in a very special place within the Temple, in addition to the remaking of the Kadosh Hakadoshim, or Holy of Holies. There are very, very specific designs for the Temple and the preceding Tabernacle in the Hebrew Scriptures.

So do you support the destruction of Al-Aqsa mosque, my holy place, to restore a legendary historical so called Temple in that area?
 

.lava

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The Temple took up the whole of the Temple Mount, and Jews believe that sacrifice must be taken to G-d at an altar, prepared in a very special place within the Temple, in addition to the remaking of the Kadosh Hakadoshim, or Holy of Holies. There are very, very specific designs for the Temple and the preceding Tabernacle in the Hebrew Scriptures.

then i do not know any solution that could make both sides equally happy.

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Elessar

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So do you support the destruction of Al-Aqsa mosque, my holy place, to restore a legendary historical so called Temple in that area?

I, myself? No, I do not. I don't rule that the Temple must be rebuilt there, and neither does my rabbi (though most of my synagogue disagrees on this issue with us). But the vast majority of Jews and Christians rule that, if rebuilt, it must be on that site - and most Jews and Christians rule that it must be rebuilt.

And it is NOT a legend; it was built by Shlomo and archeological evidence has proven the existence of a Jewish Temple on the site. Not to mention the Hadith, which state:

"[The] Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I was brought al-Buraq who is an animal white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than a mule, who would place his hoof a distance equal to the range of vision. I mounted it and came to the Temple (Bait al-Maqdis in Jerusalem), then tethered it to the ring used by the prophets."

In addition, the Waqf of Jerusalem, in 1925, declared:

[Al Aqsa's]identity with the site of Solomon's Temple is beyond dispute. This, too, is the spot, according to universal belief, on which 'David built there an altar unto the L-rd....'
 

TashaN

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sugestion:do not consern yourself with such a question as it will not occur

But don't forget that, as a general ruling, Allah said in hadith Al-qudsi that, it's much better for the Ka'aba--in Mekkah for those who don't know it--to be destroyed and it's building fall apart than shedding a blood of one single Muslim.
 

.lava

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I, myself? No, I do not. I don't rule that the Temple must be rebuilt there, and neither does my rabbi (though most of my synagogue disagrees on this issue with us). But the vast majority of Jews and Christians rule that, if rebuilt, it must be on that site - and most Jews and Christians rule that it must be rebuilt.

i think your Rabbi is special.

why would Christians care about Temple of Solomon(PBUH)? what does it mean to them?

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TashaN

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I, myself? No, I do not. I don't rule that the Temple must be rebuilt there, and neither does my rabbi (though most of my synagogue disagrees on this issue with us). But the vast majority of Jews and Christians rule that, if rebuilt, it must be on that site - and most Jews and Christians rule that it must be rebuilt.

And it is NOT a legend; it was built by Shlomo and archeological evidence has proven the existence of a Jewish Temple on the site. Not to mention the Hadith, which state:



In addition, the Waqf of Jerusalem, in 1925, declared:

We do believe that Solomon had one because he is my Prophet too, don't forget that. ;)

The thing is, we don't believe that Israel has the right to destroy Al-Aqsa to build the Temple, but i wouldn't mind if they wanted to rebuild it beside it if it wouldn't damage the safety of the mosque. By the way, the hadith didn't mention any Temple, but mentioned Al-Aqsa.
 

Elessar

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i think your Rabbi is special.

why would Christians care about Temple of Solomon(PBUH)? what does it mean to them?

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Due to certain Christian and Jewish prophesies, the Jewish Temple must exist and be active in Jerusalem in order for the End of Days to come.
 

TashaN

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i think your Rabbi is special.

why would Christians care about Temple of Solomon(PBUH)? what does it mean to them?

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Many of them believe that Jesus would return if the Jews could build that Temple. Then they also believe that after helping the Jews to build it and the coming of Jesus, then Jesus will turn all people including Jews to Christians. :D
 

Elessar

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We do believe that Solomon had one because he is my Prophet too, don't forget that. ;)

The thing is, we don't believe that Israel has the right to destroy Al-Aqsa to build the Temple, but i wouldn't mind if they wanted to rebuild it beside it if it wouldn't damage the safety of the mosque. By the way, the hadith didn't mention any Temple, but mentioned Al-Aqsa.

Actually, Judaism does NOT hold Shlomo to be a prophet. A great monarch and blessed man of G-d (at times in his life), but not a prophet.

Don't worry, though; most Israelis and Jews don't want to destroy Al Aqsa to rebuild the Temple. As I said, only radical non-Israeli Jews and Christians I've heard actually say that such should be done. The thing is, the Temple took up the *whole* of the Temple Mount. The holiest VISITABLE site in Judaism, the Western Wall, was once part of it, and it is, as I understand it, just below Al Aqsa (I've never actually been to Jerusalem, myself, though I intend to make a pilgrimage of it in the near future).
 

.lava

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Due to certain Christian and Jewish prophesies, the Jewish Temple must exist and be active in Jerusalem in order for the End of Days to come.

hmm...so your Rabbi either does not share this belief or he does not want to end world :)

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