Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks

[idea]

I suggest that you be careful, comparing israelis to dogs could get you into trouble especially if you come across the extremist that consider israelis as Jews

Peta is even more dangerous

The UN created ISRAEL

Business has no use of virtue

Call alfred hitchcock, that could be a movie.

OK...... Can't stop what 'they' want. I try to keep my feet flat on the ground

I already know that.

OK..

I happen to thinks dogs are amazing creatures - their heart rates sink with their owners, DBBC has been measured between dogs and owners, they lower stress levels, are essential service animals - seeing eye dogs, police dogs, medical dogs - amazing creatures. Humans are part of the animal kingdom, we share many traits with our animal family members. Peta - people for the ethical treatment of animals - is a wonderful organization.

1917:

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Created by:

Arthur Balfour - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Balfour is also known for: The Education Act 1902 had a major long-term impact in modernising the school system in England and Wales and provided financial support for schools operated by the Church of England and by the Catholic Church.


Tax$$ to Christian schools and declaration for Christian agenda.

Christians roughed up both populations, made both mean and aggressive. Christians threw them in the ring together.

Sometimes a common enemy can unite -

 

[Mock Turtle]

The outrage is deserved as nothing HAMAS has ever done equals what israel has done recently and has done for decades.

HAMAS are remnants of the oppressed palestinians within the state of israel's illegal occupation. There is no war!

It is about like claiming Jan 6 was a war.

Unless you cared to observe the plight of both sides, you will have a hard time with solving the problems.

Well many seem to plonk themselves down on one side or the other for various reasons. And if you can't recognise a more deliberate act of war than October 7th then don't ever be in a position of power.

 

[Revoltingest]

I happen to thinks dogs are amazing creatures - their heart rates sink with their owners, DBBC has been measured between dogs and owners, they lower stress levels, are essential service animals - seeing eye dogs, police dogs, medical dogs - amazing creatures. Humans are part of the animal kingdom, we share many traits with our animal family members. Peta - people for the ethical treatment of animals - is a wonderful organization.

And don't forget the best dogs of all...
Running Dogs Of Capitalism

I don't run well anymore, but I still capitalize.

 

[Bthoth]

Its not a claim. It was rejected by Palestinian Arab leaders.

OK... My point was about what created israel, not the arguments.

What should be clear, is that very document made it clear, that Jerusalem is NOT israel.

 

[metis]

Almost all current boundaries in the Middle East were drawn by European powers for their own convenience.

 

[Bthoth]

Well many seem to plonk themselves down on one side or the other for various reasons. And if you can't recognise a more deliberate act of war than October 7th then don't ever be in a position of power.

Sure the acts that HAMAS did was an atrocity, wrong and cruel to say the least. I hope they capture the actual criminals before committing a genocide of the palestinians and UN workers.

I can write that with no problem. Did I give you the affirmation that makes you feel better?




Now the other admonishment: Israel imposing apartheid, illegal occupation and racial divide is wrong, an atrocity and illegal.



Notice that I was very clear: "Unless you cared to observe the plight of both sides, you will have a hard time with solving the problems."


I can be honest enough to observe both sides.

 

[Bthoth]

It was because Jerusalem wasn't included as the capital of a Palestinian state

Strong point as the very same location is the focal reason israel was created in palestine and not on a tropical island with streets paved in gold.

 

[Bthoth]

1917:

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That wiki article has been changed a bunch of times. I have been laughing at just about anyone using that argument that balfour letter is what created israel. It was about the idea of creating a state for Jews, not one word on creating the house of israel.

Likewise, the NO prejudice against the others. Do the zionist comply? Did you actually read the letter or just the article which has been reworded for the ignorant to circumvent the very fact that you are skipping over;

UN RES 181 1947 is what created israel.

The state never existed before 1947.

Created by:

Arthur Balfour - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Balfour is also known for: The Education Act 1902

If it was about education, the israelis and blind supporters would have learned that the article does not mean create an apartheid.

had a major long-term impact in modernising the school system in England and Wales and provided financial support for schools operated by the Church of England and by the Catholic Church.

OK so why try to use it to discount the actual creation of israel, UN RES 181?

Tax$$ to Christian schools and declaration for Christian agenda.

Does it remind the british and christian base that WW2 germany was majority christian? Such that christians have been led to believe that they can be given impunity by god for committing atrocities such as genocide.

I often wonder if the need to build a temple and return to animal sacrificing is why israelis must have that mount: the guilt is practically killing them.

Sometimes a common enemy can unite -

What enemy?

Are you suggesting that balfour created a venue to unite christians/zionist to fight muslims?

 

[RestlessSoul]

I happen to thinks dogs are amazing creatures - their heart rates sink with their owners, DBBC has been measured between dogs and owners, they lower stress levels, are essential service animals - seeing eye dogs, police dogs, medical dogs - amazing creatures. Humans are part of the animal kingdom, we share many traits with our animal family members. Peta - people for the ethical treatment of animals - is a wonderful organization.

1917:

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Created by:

Arthur Balfour - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Balfour is also known for: The Education Act 1902 had a major long-term impact in modernising the school system in England and Wales and provided financial support for schools operated by the Church of England and by the Catholic Church.


Tax$$ to Christian schools and declaration for Christian agenda.

Christians roughed up both populations, made both mean and aggressive. Christians threw them in the ring together.

Sometimes a common enemy can unite -

The Ottomans, not Christians, governed the region from the 14th until the 20th century.

 

[Orbit]

The Ottomans, not Christians, governed the region from the 14th until the 20th century.

The British took it from the Ottomans.

 

[Left Coast]

That is exactly the threat that no longer exists, since Hamas cannot be resupplied while surrounded. There is no immediate threat of a repeat of October 7, and I think you know that very well. There is definitely a threat of terrorism at some point in the future, but not for a long time. For that to happen, the Israeli government would need to allow Qatar and other enemies to refund and resupply--which is what the Netanyahu government had allowed in the past. As for the hostages, bombing them and their captors is obviously not getting them released. I suspect some will survive, but fewer than would have if the Israeli government had been more focused on getting them released rather than simply attacking their captors without any concern for their survival.

Hamas cannot be permitted to remain in power. I don't know how many more times or ways to explain this. Your assessment that there's no urgent need to neutralize them or rescue the hostages they're holding is baffling. Mere defensiveness is not a sufficient means of protecting Israel or rescuing hostages. Hamas needs to be defeated.

Actually, I don't recommend occupation, but I don't see any other outcome right now. The US government has officially and publicly warned Israel that occupation by Israel is a bad idea, and I agree with that. A better outcome would be peacekeeping troops from neutral 3rd parties (but especially not the US, which is not neutral). The occupation will likely lead to more deaths, because parties directly involved in the conflict will be in daily contact. What could go wrong with that scenario? A better solution would be an occupation by neutral parties and involvement of the PA in administering Gaza.

There are very few neutral parties in this conflict. You can enlist the help of the UN, but as they're not a government I'd assume their help would be more a temporary stop gap.

I am not convinced that the Qatari government and other state actors (with the exception of Iran and possibly Russia) supporting Hamas were necessarily involved in the October 7 attack or even in favor of it.

With the exception of those two major regional players.

They enabled Hamas to carry out the attack, but that doesn't mean they knew what the outcome of their support would be.

Oh for ****'s almighty sake. In Iran's case, they want to weaken (and ultimately destroy) Israel.

The Qatari government is also a US ally, so I think they were genuinely trying to help start a process of negotiation.

Yes, that's true in Qatar's case.

It failed, but it was really too late to stop the Israeli onslaught at that point. Israel has never shown any interest in getting its hostages released by any means other than threats of violence until the hostage takers surrendered unconditionally. That was never likely to happen. The hostage takers had nothing to gain by releasing their hostages and surrendering, since that would likely be a death sentence for them.

If they refuse to release them, it will definitely be a death sentence for them.

And you know this how?

...obvious common sense? If you have fewer supplies, you are able to use them for a shorter time than with more supplies.

If they've done it already, then why are you so convinced that Israel needs to keep up the constant bombardment of densely populated areas? You said that the point was to deter future terrorism. I was the one who said the threat had been neutralized already. Now you appear to agree with me. What infrastructure is left? Just isolated pockets of resistance.

How many times must it be explained? Hamas cannot remain in power.

You can't normally send equipment and advisers over the internet, but I see your point that aid from Jesus could have made it possible.

Advisors can't talk to people from a distance? What are we doing right now?

Aside from which, what makes you think Israel doesn't have military experts of its own to consult?

Think, man.

The same argument applies to you. You don't know any more than I do.

Which is why you don't see me making dogmatic pronouncements about things that require knowledge of Israeli intelligence.

In any case, Israel has announced that its troops are now in the heart of Gaza City, so maybe some of the merciless bombardments will stop and the IDF will begin to actually root out IDF strongholds.

I assume you mean Hamas strongholds.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Sure the acts that HAMAS did was an atrocity, wrong and cruel to say the least. I hope they capture the actual criminals before committing a genocide of the palestinians and UN workers.

I can write that with no problem. Did I give you the affirmation that makes you feel better?

Nothing about this piece of gross stupidity makes me feel better. Children are just children wherever they happen to live, and all deserve a decent life. Just a shame that Hamas seem to value them so little.

Now the other admonishment: Israel imposing apartheid, illegal occupation and racial divide is wrong, an atrocity and illegal.



Notice that I was very clear: "Unless you cared to observe the plight of both sides, you will have a hard time with solving the problems."


I can be honest enough to observe both sides.

Great. I can commend you for being so impartial.

 

[Bthoth]

Just a shame that Hamas seem to value them so little.

Seems to be a serious problem that israel is bombing civilians and cannot confirm even 1 HAMAS person that committed the war crimes, has been killed.

Great. I can commend you for being so impartial.

I have been witnessing this divide for about 1/2 a century.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Seems to be a serious problem that israel is bombing civilians and cannot confirm even 1 HAMAS person that committed the war crimes, has been killed.

Must be something to do with them not wearing uniforms - like the terrorists they are.

I have been witnessing this divide for about 1/2 a century.

I was born before Israel became a country, but like all such wars and similar conflicts I can't say that they have interested me especially, given that one piece of land is often like another, and mostly beliefs should never cause one to harm others. Hence my irreligious nature.

 

[Bthoth]

Must be something to do with them not wearing uniforms - like the terrorists they are.

So everything palestinians is now a target?

I was born before Israel became a country,

Great, what is taking you so long to figure out what the problem is?

but like all such wars and similar conflicts

Nothing similar to palestinians being abused for so long

I can't say that they have interested me especially, given that one piece of land is often like another, and mostly beliefs should never cause one to harm others. Hence my irreligious nature.

I know, that arm pit of land is worthless except for tourism.

 

[Mock Turtle]

So everything palestinians is now a target?

No idea, but how would you discriminate a Hamas fighter from any other adult male in Gaza, especially when Hamas are trying to hide?

Great, what is taking you so long to figure out what the problem is?

Nothing similar to palestinians being abused for so long

I know, that arm pit of land is worthless except for tourism.

The problem is religions. Figured that out long ago, and especially in this particular location, and probably will be until it is a wasteland. Fertile Crescent? Fertile for conflict breaking out regularly more like.

 

[Bthoth]

No idea, but how would you discriminate a Hamas fighter from any other adult male in Gaza, especially when Hamas are trying to hide?

Murdering the adults is what created this generation of hamas. Are you trying to doing it again?

ie... genocide is what you are intending?

You can't win! That mentality is what perfects an inhumane approach. Be careful as talking like that will make you an enemy of all states.

The problem is religions.

I know, the pursuit of that stupid hill.

Figured that out long ago, and especially in this particular location, and probably will be until it is a wasteland. Fertile Crescent? Fertile for conflict breaking out regularly more like.

See ezek 22........ the dross dont make it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nothing about this piece of gross stupidity makes me feel better.

Oh, the irony.

Children are just children wherever they happen to live, and all deserve a decent life. Just a shame that Hamas seem to value them so little.

As does Israel....unless the children are Jewish.

 

[idea]

The Ottomans, not Christians, governed the region from the 14th until the 20th century.

Christians promoted Israel in the region after Ottomans.

 

[idea]

That wiki article has been changed a bunch of times. I have been laughing at just about anyone using that argument that balfour letter is what created israel. It was about the idea of creating a state for Jews, not one word on creating the house of israel.

Likewise, the NO prejudice against the others. Do the zionist comply? Did you actually read the letter or just the article which has been reworded for the ignorant to circumvent the very fact that you are skipping over;

UN RES 181 1947 is what created israel.

The state never existed before 1947.




If it was about education, the israelis and blind supporters would have learned that the article does not mean create an apartheid.

OK so why try to use it to discount the actual creation of israel, UN RES 181?

Does it remind the british and christian base that WW2 germany was majority christian? Such that christians have been led to believe that they can be given impunity by god for committing atrocities such as genocide.

I often wonder if the need to build a temple and return to animal sacrificing is why israelis must have that mount: the guilt is practically killing them.

What enemy?

Are you suggesting that balfour created a venue to unite christians/zionist to fight muslims?

UN would not have created Israel if Balfour had not already started it.

Muslims endured the crusades.
Jewish people are accused of killing Jesus.

There is reason for both Jews and Muslims to have common Christian enemy.

Reason for everyone to realize how backwards religious beliefs make everyone.