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Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks
- Thread starter Left Coast
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So they say.
The outrage is deserved as nothing HAMAS has ever done equals what israel has done recently and has done for decades.
HAMAS are remnants of the oppressed palestinians within the state of israel's illegal occupation. There is no war!
It is about like claiming Jan 6 was a war.
Unless you cared to observe the plight of both sides, you will have a hard time with solving the problems.
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Where was the Palestinian state before Israel?
The land mass was identified as palestine before any israel ever existed.
See UN res 181 to read that yourself.
Statehood does not mean the human beings that lived there do not exist. Just as a religion belief does not mean an israel existed before 1947.
What makes people believe crazy narratives that are created by israeli opinion?
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That land has a very long history.
"Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Ancient Israel and Judah, the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Hasmoneans, the Roman Empire, several Muslim caliphates, and the crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then the British Empire and since 1948 it has been divided into Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip."
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
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You mean this UN res 181 that was rejected by Palestinian Arab leaders?
"On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly, voting 33 to 13 in favour with 10 abstentions, adopted Resolution 181 (II) (though not legally binding)[571] recommending a partition with the Economic Union of Mandatory Palestine to follow the termination of the British Mandate. The plan was to partition Palestine into an "Independent Arab state alongside a Jewish States, and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem".[572] Jerusalem was to encompass Bethlehem. Zionist leaders (including the Jewish Agency), accepted the plan, while Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it and all independent Muslim and Arab states voted against it.[573][574][cxliii] Almost immediately, sectarian violence erupted and spread, killing hundreds of Arabs, Jews and British over the ensuing months."
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
Religious association is the greatest correlation.
And shared hostility towards another.
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That is exactly the threat that no longer exists, since Hamas cannot be resupplied while surrounded. There is no immediate threat of a repeat of October 7, and I think you know that very well. There is definitely a threat of terrorism at some point in the future, but not for a long time. For that to happen, the Israeli government would need to allow Qatar and other enemies to refund and resupply--which is what the Netanyahu government had allowed in the past. As for the hostages, bombing them and their captors is obviously not getting them released. I suspect some will survive, but fewer than would have if the Israeli government had been more focused on getting them released rather than simply attacking their captors without any concern for their survival.
Actually, I don't recommend occupation, but I don't see any other outcome right now. The US government has officially and publicly warned Israel that occupation by Israel is a bad idea, and I agree with that. A better outcome would be peacekeeping troops from neutral 3rd parties (but especially not the US, which is not neutral). The occupation will likely lead to more deaths, because parties directly involved in the conflict will be in daily contact. What could go wrong with that scenario? A better solution would be an occupation by neutral parties and involvement of the PA in administering Gaza.
I am not convinced that the Qatari government and other state actors (with the exception of Iran and possibly Russia) supporting Hamas were necessarily involved in the October 7 attack or even in favor of it. They enabled Hamas to carry out the attack, but that doesn't mean they knew what the outcome of their support would be. The Qatari government is also a US ally, so I think they were genuinely trying to help start a process of negotiation. It failed, but it was really too late to stop the Israeli onslaught at that point. Israel has never shown any interest in getting its hostages released by any means other than threats of violence until the hostage takers surrendered unconditionally. That was never likely to happen. The hostage takers had nothing to gain by releasing their hostages and surrendering, since that would likely be a death sentence for them.
And you know this how? What kind of supplies have they hoarded, and how long do you think they can hold out? Probably a lot longer than the civilians who don't have access to those supplies.
If they've done it already, then why are you so convinced that Israel needs to keep up the constant bombardment of densely populated areas? You said that the point was to deter future terrorism. I was the one who said the threat had been neutralized already. Now you appear to agree with me. What infrastructure is left? Just isolated pockets of resistance.
You can't normally send equipment and advisers over the internet, but I see your point that aid from Jesus could have made it possible.
The same argument applies to you. You don't know any more than I do. Neither of us can do more than discuss our opinions on the basis of what we read from other commentaries and announcements by governments.
In any case, Israel has announced that its troops are now in the heart of Gaza City, so maybe some of the merciless bombardments will stop and the IDF will begin to actually root out IDF strongholds.
OK, no consensus . Does not mean palestine (the region and the) people living there are not important. Note "Mandatory Palestine " and Jerusalem is not israel!
You had to look at wiki to learn about that? HA HA..
And like now, the religious nuts turn violent."On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly, voting 33 to 13 in favour with 10 abstentions, adopted Resolution 181 (II) (though not legally binding)[571] recommending a partition with the Economic Union of Mandatory Palestine to follow the termination of the British Mandate. The plan was to partition Palestine into an "Independent Arab state alongside a Jewish States, and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem".[572] Jerusalem was to encompass Bethlehem. Zionist leaders (including the Jewish Agency), accepted the plan, while Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it and all independent Muslim and Arab states voted against it.[573][574][cxliii] Almost immediately, sectarian violence erupted and spread, killing hundreds of Arabs, Jews and British over the ensuing months."
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
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"You had to look at wiki to learn about that? HA HA"
Nope had to educate you that it was rejected. That requires the info and a source.
What are you talking about? Israel exists and nothing you can do to stop that. Just because a few do not like it, does not mean, the state of israel does not exist and that beginning was in 1947 no matter what you may want to believe about a house.
Are you stuck on the house part? Is that like the mount with no temple on it. Some are confused about reality.
Did you look up UN res 181 in an attempt to suggest that israel needs palestinian approval? If not, then why? I knew what, when and even why, israel began.
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What the heck are you going on about?
you had no idea that israel is a state, created by UN res 181. And you ranted about rejected.
If you do not like israel existing, too bad. You can hate the carnage and apartheid, but that does not change the fact that israel is a state. Not a house, not a family and most definitely not the final destination of Jews or judaism.
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Man you are lost. I support Israel. Go rant on someone else lol
Then why did you claim that the UN RES 181 the resolution that created Israel was rejected?
Did you not understand what created the state?
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Are you Jewish? Just wondering.
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Its not a claim. It was rejected by Palestinian Arab leaders
It was because Jerusalem wasn't included as the capital of a Palestinian state