Israel-Gaza : The bitter harvest of hate

[Kenny]

As previous poster mentioned UN disagrees.

Please review reply to previous poster

Not Israel's best effort.

Thanks to Arab countries and Hamas

 

[Lyndon]

the UN is notoriously biased when every year they condemn any Israeli action and in all of the years never condemned Hamas Palestinians. Not even the recent atrocities

Not only that, their very structure has helped Hamas and even participated in the training of hatred by the teachers they hired.

Thanks to the Hamas.

Actually you're the one that is notoriously biased against the Palestinians

 

[muhammad_isa]

the UN is notoriously biased when every year they condemn any Israeli action and in all of the years never condemned Hamas Palestinians..

I assume by 'Hamas Palestinians', you mean terrorists..

Are you accusing the UN of supporting terrorism??

 

[Kenny]

I assume by 'Hamas Palestinians', you mean terrorists..

yes - there are good Palestinians.

Are you accusing the UN of supporting terrorism??

MSN

you tell me.

 

[Samael_Khan]

The details she shared are deeply disturbing, and the perspective of suffering civilians must be shared.

I do find it remarkably irresponsible, dangerous, and demonizing on the part of the Times of Israel to highlight a claim that there are "no innocent civilians in Gaza" in the title of the article amid the ongoing bombardment that has killed over 21,000 people and created a humanitarian disaster in every sense of the word.

They could have highlighted any of the many harrowing details she talked about, but they chose for the headline the one claim that is arguably most likely to instill further hatred and mutual dehumanization, and not once did they contextualize why it is incorrect in the article.

This war has indeed led to a harvest of hatred, and many media outlets are complicit. It appears that the Times of Israel has made itself one of those.

It is because it is in the Times of Israel best interest to villainise all those in Gaza.

I would call what they did with this article irresponsible and dangerous if I thought they were unaware of the consequences of their actions. What they did was very intentional so they see it as their responsibility to paint Gazans in such a light.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Are you accusing the UN of supporting terrorism??

A better term might be "condone," particularly when applied to the UNWRA. So, for example, we see things like the following from National Review:

The United Nations relief agency overseeing aid to Palestinian refugees, the U.N. Rights and Work Agency (UNRWA), deleted a social-media post on Monday morning accusing Hamas of stealing humanitarian supplies.​

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“@UNRWA received reports that yesterday a group of people with trucks purporting to be from the Ministry of Health of the de facto authorities in #Gaza, removed fuel and medical equipment from the Agency’s compound in #GazaCity,” the agency wrote on Monday morning without explicitly naming Hamas. “@UNRWA fuel & other types of material are kept for strictly humanitarian purposes – any other use is strongly condemned.”​

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However, hours after first publishing the note, UNWRA quietly deleted the message. Sources familiar with the situation confirmed to Haaretz, a left-leaning Israeli publication, that the story is accurate.​

It would require unconscionable naïveté (or desire) to believe that the agency operating in Gaza -- with its vast network of embedded military infrastructure -- is not laced with Hamas and its supporters. It may well be a coerced complicity for some, but it is complicity nonetheless.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I would call what they did with this article irresponsible and dangerous if I thought they were unaware of the consequences of their actions. What they did was very intentional so they see it as their responsibility to paint Gazans in such a light.

Or they were respecting the voice of someone who had been terrorized and traumatized by Hamas, and who was focus of the recent news cycle. No doubt many would prefer that this woman was ignored or decried.

 

[Father Heathen]

She had time to consider her response.
Hateful vilification was deliberately & thoughtfully chosen.

Would you show such charity towards a Palestinian
victim who said there are "no innocent Jews"?

I wouldn't blame anyone for having such an emotional responce after being tortured and/or raped, even if the sentiment is wrong.

 

[Lyndon]

A better term might be "condone," particularly when applied to the UNWRA. So, for example, we see things like the following from National Review:

The United Nations relief agency overseeing aid to Palestinian refugees, the U.N. Rights and Work Agency (UNRWA), deleted a social-media post on Monday morning accusing Hamas of stealing humanitarian supplies.​

​

“@UNRWA received reports that yesterday a group of people with trucks purporting to be from the Ministry of Health of the de facto authorities in #Gaza, removed fuel and medical equipment from the Agency’s compound in #GazaCity,” the agency wrote on Monday morning without explicitly naming Hamas. “@UNRWA fuel & other types of material are kept for strictly humanitarian purposes – any other use is strongly condemned.”​

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However, hours after first publishing the note, UNWRA quietly deleted the message. Sources familiar with the situation confirmed to Haaretz, a left-leaning Israeli publication, that the story is accurate.​

It would require unconscionable naïveté (or desire) to believe that the agency operating in Gaza -- with its vast network of embedded military infrastructure -- is not laced with Hamas and its supporters. It may well be a coerced complicity for some, but it is complicity nonetheless.

only a crazed right winger would believe anything from the National Review

 

[Samael_Khan]

Or they were respecting the voice of someone who had been terrorized and traumatized by Hamas, and who was focus of the recent news cycle. No doubt many would prefer that this woman was ignored or decried.

If they also post an article of a Palestinian who is traumatised by what Israel is doing to them, then I would consider it unintentional.

If they only focus on what Israelis go through, then I consider them mere propoganda, taking advantage of this womans trauma for propogandaa purposes.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..you tell me.

..it appears that you are.

The UN was set up to broker peace .. it does not take sides .. it tries to reconcile.
It is not easy to do so, when on one side of the fence we have privilege, and on the other,
destitution.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If they also post an article of a Palestinian who is traumatised by what Israel is doing to them, then I would consider it unintentional.

If they only focus on what Israelis go through, then I consider them mere propoganda, taking advantage of this womans trauma for propogandaa purposes.

That is certainly your prerogative.

 

[JIMMY12345]

From The Times of Israel:

Freed hostage Mia Schem: 'I experienced hell. There are no innocent civilians in Gaza'​

It is a long and deeply disturbing article where we can read:

Schem spoke in depth for the first time about the experience to both Channel 12 and 13 news, recounting the moments she was taken hostage, the suffering and mental torture she endured in captivity, and the experience of coming back home.​

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“It’s important to me to reveal the real situation about the people who live in Gaza, who they really are, and what I went through there,” she told Channel 13 news. “I experienced hell. Everyone there are terrorists… there are no innocent civilians, not one,” she said. “[Innocent civilians] don’t exist.”​

The article deserves to be read because Mia Schem deserves to be heard -- the truth of her trauma must be recognized and acknowledged. So, too, the trauma being endured by far, far too many innocent Palestinian civilians who do in fact exist.

Even as we prepare for a bitter harvest of hate I think it's really important to remember that empathy is not a zero sum game.

At a tangent.Do not get drawn into a war via Yemen/Houthi's. Diplomatically agree to allow only Non Israeli ships to sail down the red sea and allow inspections.This avoids a cost of living crisis in the West/Africa.It frees USA to give aid to Israel and Palestine.It avoids annoying the Middle East.
Also explain if after this any shipping gets attacked by drones retaliation will be swift.

 

[Kenny]

..it appears that you are.

The UN was set up to broker peace .. it does not take sides .. it tries to reconcile.
It is not easy to do so, when on one side of the fence we have privilege, and on the other,
destitution.

Apparently you didn’t read the site that supports my statement

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

At a tangent.

Yes, it is.

 

[Koldo]

Or they were respecting the voice of someone who had been terrorized and traumatized by Hamas, and who was focus of the recent news cycle. No doubt many would prefer that this woman was ignored or decried.

If the purpose was to strictly give a platform to a victim, then how do you explain the heading?

Freed hostage Mia Schem: ‘I experienced hell. There are no innocent civilians in Gaza’

Among all the things she said, why the massive spotlight on the part where she stated there are no innocents in Gaza?

This victim is being used as a political weapon to legitimize the bombing of Gaza.

 

[metis]

The UN was set up to broker peace .. it does not take sides .. it tries to reconcile.
It is not easy to do so, when on one side of the fence we have privilege, and on the other,
destitution.

If one truly wants peace, then convince Hamas to stop fighting, including firing rockets into Israel as they did [200 or so] on New Years Day. If they cared about their own people, they would stop as some already have done. After all, it was Hama who started this latest assault-- not Israel.

 

[Yerda]

The article deserves to be read because Mia Schem deserves to be heard -- the truth of her trauma must be recognized and acknowledged.

This is deranged.

 

[libre]

Or they were respecting the voice of someone who had been terrorized and traumatized by Hamas, and who was focus of the recent news cycle. No doubt many would prefer that this woman was ignored or decried.

If Al-Jazeera ran a headline quoting a survivor of the bombings that all Israeli's were guilty and none of them were civilians - without any mention of how obviously false those claims are, would you have the same response? I am confident such a piece of writing would be widely decried as terrorist apologia, and not respecting the voice of Palestinian victims.

Do you disagree that the Times of Israel have opted for a hatred-inducing title?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you disagree that the Times of Israel have opted for a hatred-inducing title?

I do not.