Israeli Duty to Warn? What unmitigated gall (chutzpah)

[icehorse]

I prefer, the current generation or right now.

For example: right now UN Res 476,478, and 2334 are still outstanding and clear about the wrong. Illegal occupation and flagrant abuse of international agreement.

An appeal to irrelevant authority.

 

[icehorse]

I think you keep coming at this subject from that ideological viewpoint and drawing conclusions that fit it rather than considering the full picture.

I don't really have much time or energy right now to engage in a discussion about that, especially when I have reasons to doubt that it would be useful or productive.

Feel free to have the last word. It doesn't matter to me.

Nah, I'm tired of your weak mind reading skills.

 

[Revoltingest]

My cat knew that Israel would retaliate after a large-scale terror attack on its citizens!? Everyone on the planet, maybe even other planets knew the Israelis would retaliate.

....with overkill.
Hamas knew that too.
Which would mean that it serves their purpose
to have Israel seen as brutal oppressors & killers,
which will inspire more attacks on Israel.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because the UN created the lines and israel continues to annex more land. For example: Jerusalem is not israel per the majority on the earth

Jerusalem is from my understanding Judaism's most important city. You might as well say that Mecca is not part of Islam.

 

[sayak83]

Hamas, unprovoked and without warning, attacked Israel on Saturday, October 7. The Israelis, as was inevitable, fought back, hopefully hard. The New York Times' print edition contained an article "Gazans With Nowhere to Hide Issue a Plea: At Least Warn Us." The Times' electronic edition (link, not paywalled) modified the headline to "Nowhere to Hide in Gaza as Israeli Onslaught Continues." Either way, the article and contents constitute unmitigated gall, or, as the Yiddish expression goes, chutzpah. Excerpts:

The UN High Commissioner for human rights continues this thoroughly disingenuous theme:

Both the "Gazans" and Mr. Türk miss the delicious irony; Hamas gave no "warning" to the attendees at a rock concert that it killed, tortured and/or kidnapped. Ditto the Israeli homes invaded. Presumably, Israel is to meekly accept these attacks. The Gazans, somehow, are entitled to warnings so they can fight another day. The Israeli rock concert attendees, and other innocents, should just die.

After all, they are only the Joooooos, and should follow the pattern they adopted during the Shoah, with 6,000,000 going down with barely a whimper.

Limiting civillian casualties is essential for any war, however just the cause. However Israel will of course not warn of airstrikes as it will defeat the purpose of catching Hamas terrorists by surprise. So I am not seeing any way out of civillian deaths as Hamas militants will disperse themselves among civilians as they usually do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

....with overkill.
Hamas knew that too.
Which would mean that it serves their purpose
to have Israel seen as brutal oppressors & killers,
which will inspire more attacks on Israel.

They have more than received their pound of flesh in the dead of children and noncombatants. It is time to back off.

The UN is far from perfect, but it is better than Israel running amok in revenge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Limiting civillian casualties is essential for any war, however just the cause. However Israel will of course not warn of airstrikes as it will defeat the purpose of catching Hamas terrorists by surprise. So I am not seeing any way out of civillian deaths as Hamas militants will disperse themselves among civilians as they usually do.

That is one thing that I hate about Hamas. They will put the innocent at risk for their cause. Personally I think that Israel has gotten its revenge and then some. All that they are doing right now is creating new terrorists for the future. The children that are victims of this are being brainwashed and this will only make it worse.

 

[sayak83]

That is one thing that I hate about Hamas. They will put the innocent at risk for their cause. Personally I think that Israel has gotten its revenge and then some. All that they are doing right now is creating new terrorists for the future. The children that are victims of this are being brainwashed and this will only make it worse.

Its less about revenge and more about removing Hamas as a group from Gaza entirely....bit like removing ISIS from Iraq. Imo, Israel should certainly do this clean-up operation till Hamas is entirely eliminated from Gaza. Then there can be joint UN-Israel administered occupation of Gaza for the next few years followed by an eventual hand-over to the Palestinian authority that administers the West Bank. . Ideally Gaza strip should be entirely demilitarized with no guns, ammunitions or anything in the hands of any person.
Of course, Israel can entirely mess this up....like George Bush Jr. did with the Afghanistan occupation disaster after 9/11. That is the more likely situation.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Perhaps if the Palestinians recognised how cynical Hamas (and others) are in using them as 'material' in their aims then they would turn on them. Probably not going to happen though.

As the bombs fall, the children of Gaza ask: Why do they kill us?

Honest answer? Because the people who your parents placed into authority in your country, Hamas, seemed it fit to murder over a thousand Israeli men, women, and children.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Honest answer? Because the people who your parents placed into authority in your country, Hamas, seemed it fit to murder over a thousand Israeli men, women, and children.

^ all the intellectual insight and depth of a paper plate

 

[Colt]

....with overkill.
Hamas knew that too.
Which would mean that it serves their purpose
to have Israel seen as brutal oppressors & killers,
which will inspire more attacks on Israel.

There was no such thing as overkill with Nazi's or ISIS or Ben laden etc. Negotiating with evil has proven to simply delay the true intentions of evil, give it time to regroup, it legitimizes evil. The terrorist groups aligned against Israel WILL NEVER ACCEPT A STATE OF ISRAEL!

 

[Revoltingest]

There was no such thing as overkill with Nazi's or ISIS or Ben laden etc.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what happened in WW2.
It's one thing to fight & kill the enemy. That's agreed upon.
It's another to execute prisoners & civilians.

Negotiating with evil has proven to simply delay the true intentions of evil, give it time to regroup, it legitimizes evil. The terrorist groups aligned against Israel WILL NEVER ACCEPT A STATE OF ISRAEL!

And this justifies Israel's continued oppression &
killing of Palestinians, taking their land, & using
collective punishment?

I'm continually amazed at people who take a side,
& want only to crush the opposition...never talk to
them....never negotiate with them...
Just continue brutalizing them, & blaming them
solely for their reacting with vengeance. Never
realizing that solutions lie in thinking rather than
blindly reacting.

 

[Bthoth]

An appeal to irrelevant authority.

That's a cross up. UN Res 181 is what enabled an israel to exist.

What is the authority to you and would substantiate any consideration of following rules?

Violence?

 

[Colt]

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what happened in WW2.
It's one thing to fight & kill the enemy. That's agreed upon.
It's another to execute prisoners & civilians.

And this justifies Israel's continued oppression &
killing of Palestinians, taking their land, & using
collective punishment?

I'm continually amazed at people who take a side,
& want only to crush the opposition...never talk to
them....never negotiate with them...
Just continue brutalizing them, & blaming them
solely for their reacting with vengeance. Never
realizing that solutions lie in thinking rather than
blindly reacting.

Like this all just began last week? Hamas needs people like you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Like this all just began last week? Hamas needs people like you.

It seems that you want to make this personal.
Is this out of anger over disagreement, or a
tactic to deflect from the many real issues?

I won't play your game, but I'm curious.

 

[Revoltingest]

Listening to USA US officials, I hear the same pro-Israel
propaganda, ie, that Hamas wants Israel destroyed.
They latch onto this for the purpose of ignoring why
Hamas has support. USA continues to excuse Israel's
killing more Palestinian civilians than Israel has lost,
to destroy Palestinian homes, to evict Palestinians
from Gaza, to take more Palestinian land, to allow
Israeli citizens to attack Palestinians, & to cut off
their food & utilities.
USA is complicit in Israel's oppression....
- Turning a blind eye to Israel's illegal acts.
- Propping up Israeli aggression financially.
- Repeating Israeli propaganda.

 

[Colt]

It seems that you want to make this personal.
Is this out of anger over disagreement, or a
tactic to deflect from the many real issues?

I won't play your game, but I'm curious.

Its not personal, its addressing a posters apparent ignorance of the years and years of capitulation to the demands of Palestinian terrorist only to realize again and again that they really don't want peace, they don't want to accept an Israeli state. IMOP you are naive like Neville Chamberlain or the previous policy of the U.S. towards Al-Qaeda. We had to wait until 9/11 before the government realized "wow, they really are serious" DUH!

 

[Colt]

Listening to USA US officials, I hear the same pro-Israel
propaganda, ie, that Hamas wants Israel destroyed.
They latch onto this for the purpose of ignoring why
Hamas has support. USA continues to excuse Israel's
killing more Palestinian civilians than Israel has lost,
to destroy Palestinian homes, to evict Palestinians
from Gaza, to take more Palestinian land, to allow
Israeli citizens to attack Palestinians, & to cut off
their food & utilities.
USA is complicit in Israel's oppression....
- Turning a blind eye to Israel's illegal acts.
- Propping up Israeli aggression financially.
- Repeating Israeli propaganda.

And you are parroting the age-old propaganda of Palestinian Terror groups! Nothing new here.

 

[Bthoth]

Jerusalem is from my understanding Judaism's most important city. You might as well say that Mecca is not part of Islam.

Most everyone comprehends that the 'city of blood' is central to all 3 religions of abraham.
.
But the world is against the taking of.

UN res 478
Recalling its resolution 476 (1980),
Reaffirming again that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible,
Deeply concerned over the enactment of a "basic law" in the Israeli Knesset proclaiming a change in the character
and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, with its implications for peace and security,
Noting that Israel has not complied with resolution 476 (1980)

Religiously (tanach and bible) and legally (security council), the location is not israel and not to be touched.

But I understand that some dont care and expect to make the rules as they see fit

 

[Revoltingest]

Its not personal, its addressing a posters apparent ignorance of the years and years of capitulation to the demands of Palestinian terrorist only to realize again and again that they really don't want peace, they don't want to accept an Israeli state. IMOP you are naive like Neville Chamberlain or the previous policy of the U.S. towards Al-Qaeda. We had to wait until 9/11 before the government realized "wow, they really are serious" DUH!

And you are parroting the age-old propaganda of Palestinian Terror groups! Nothing new here.

Oh, so you've nothing positive to contribute.