Israeli forces kill dozens of Palestinians in Gaza 'massacre'

[The Emperor of Mankind]

In cases like this, the devil is in the details. The context is crucial here: Palestinians have unilaterally declared was on Israel. In this context, it strikes me that a mob of angry people on the border can't really be called "civilians".

Does this mean Churchill was justified in the deliberate saturation bombing of German cities during WW2 because Germany had declared war on us?

And as Socrates said:

"A disorderly mob is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house."

Watch out for those 'hostiles' armed to the teeth with hand-thrown rocks and angry words.

Saying the Palestinians brought this on themselves by daring to voice their anger is sickening.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Does this mean Churchill was justified in the deliberate saturation bombing of German cities during WW2 because Germany had declared war on us?

And as Socrates said:

"A disorderly mob is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house."

Watch out for those 'hostiles' armed to the teeth with hand-thrown rocks and angry words.

Saying the Palestinians brought this on themselves by daring to voice their anger is sickening.

Indeed. I'm thoroughly disgusted with some of the replies I'm seeing. There's a reason I haven't been replying in this thread, but I'm watching.

 

[icehorse]

Saying the Palestinians brought this on themselves by daring to voice their anger is sickening.

Are they angry with their leaders? The ones who declared war on Israel? If so, they could throw the bums out of office. If they're angry with Israel and they're creating angry mobs at the border - IN WARTIME - then they shouldn't complain about the result.

Once again, Palestinians have DECLARED WAR on Israel. Remember that it's usually Palestinian "civilians" who are responsible for terror attacks in Israel.

I believe the Palestinians are horribly repressed BY THEIR OWN LEADERS. If you share this belief, then you should be calling for the ousting of Hamas and the PA and their ilk. They are the criminals in this equation. By directing your criticism towards Israel you are giving tacit support to Hamas, correct?

When I hear criticisms of Israel's actions I mentally insert the phrase "Even though the Palestinians have unilaterally declared war on Israel, Israel should behave nicely when Palestinians..."

So:

"Even though the Palestinians have unilaterally declared war on Israel, Israel should behave nicely when Palestinians send terrorists into Israel."

"Even though the Palestinians have unilaterally declared war on Israel, Israel should behave nicely when Palestinians create angry, violent mobs at the border."

"Even though the Palestinians have unilaterally declared war on Israel, Israel should behave nicely when Palestinians initiate rocket launches into Israel"

"Even though the Palestinians have unilaterally declared war on Israel, Israel should behave nicely when Palestinians dig tunnels into Israel for the purpose of attacking Israeli citizens"

And so on.

These sentences make no sense.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

One day some-one will manage explain to me why the ANC were freedom fighters and Hamas are terrorists. Or probably not.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

One day some-one will manage explain to me why the ANC were freedom fighters and Hamas are terrorists. Or probably not.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, as the saying goes. It's all arbitrary and based on political biases. The American revolutionaries were terrorists, too.

 

[Flankerl]

Bad photoshop is bad

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Tu quoque is not a good foundation for political and military decisions. You don't take the high ground against organizations like Hamas by resorting to similarly reprehensible tactics.

Screw the high ground.

All that is important is to keep the lunatics in the Gaza strip separated from the Israelis on the other side.

The Gazans want to storm the border? Well they better learn to live with the consequences.

Indeed. I'm thoroughly disgusted with some of the replies I'm seeing. There's a reason I haven't been replying in this thread, but I'm watching.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, as the saying goes. It's all arbitrary and based on political biases. The American revolutionaries were terrorists, too.

You are free to join the people with the Swastika flags in Gaza.

Enjoy your fun company.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

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Screw the high ground.

All that is important is to keep the lunatics in the Gaza strip separated from the Israelis on the other side.

The Gazans want to storm the border? Well they better learn to live with the consequences.






You are free to join the people with the Swastika flags in Gaza.

Enjoy your fun company.

Nah, you'd have more in common with a Nazi with your hatred. Buzz off.

 

[Flankerl]

Calling Jews Nazis is always a classic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Calling Jews Nazis is always a classic.

But I didn't do that, did I? Try again. You're the one who pulled the Nazi card in the first place and if you don't want to be compared to one, try not sounding like one when you run your mouth about Muslims, Christians and Palestinians next time.

 

[Shad]

One day some-one will manage explain to me why the ANC were freedom fighters and Hamas are terrorists. Or probably not.

They won and cut terrorism from their core policies. They still were considered terrorist for a long time. Hamas has done neither.

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[Sunstone]

The context is crucial here: Palestinians have unilaterally declared was on Israel.

With respect, can you not see how Israel's armed occupation of the West Bank might be taken as a declaration of war by the Palestinians? I would see the armed occupation of Arizona by Mexico as no less than a declaration of war.

 

[Flankerl]

But I didn't do that, did I? Try again. You're the one who pulled the Nazi card in the first place and if you don't want to be compared to one, try not sounding like one when you run your mouth about Muslims, Christians and Palestinians next time.

Do you always defend people with Swastika flags and kites in your free time or is that only something you do when Jews are involved?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

3D printed tourniquet: Day 2 of Gaza field trials ends badly (May 14)

Canadian doctor shot by Israeli snipers;

We were standing well away from the main protest area. The snipers in the three sniper outposts all had clear views of us.

There was no fire or smoke near us. We were standing still, and I was facing in a southerly direction talking to a colleague. The snipers were situated east of us. I was wearing visible full hospital greens. There was no active shooting from the Israelis immediately before or after. There were no protesters in our immediate vicinity.

I look forward to the imminent handwaves and victim blaming.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Do you always defend people with Swastika flags and kites in your free time or is that only something you do when Jews are involved?

If it's good enough for the President of the US...

 

[icehorse]

With respect, can you not see how Israel's armed occupation of the West Bank might be taken as a declaration of war by the Palestinians? I would see the armed occupation of Arizona by Mexico as no less than a declaration of war.

I think it's all very complex, right down to your use of the term "occupied". Given all the complex history of the situation I think "disputed" is a fairer description.

As for what the Palestinian's think, wow, that's a tough one. I think that Arab leaders have committed a multigenerational indoctrination campaign against the Palestinians. So I think we'd have to consider the Palestinian population as distinct from their "leaders". Their leaders want Israel eliminated. As has been stated earlier in this thread by others, the Palestinians themselves were likely coerced into voting for terrorist leaders. Palestinians don't seem to be thinking straight. When they use their own children as martyrs, I'm not sure we should view them as mentally healthy. Now don't get me wrong, this isn't some bigotry I'm spouting. I believe these people have been subjected to an outlandish campaign of brutal indoctrination. I believe that this could be undone.

As for your Arizona example, let me ask you this. If - during the course of retaking their land - Arizonians captured a part of Mexico, do you think they ought to give that captured piece of Mexico back to the aggressors? If so, then doesn't attacking other countries become a no-lose situation?

 

[rosends]

An interesting article (ask google to do the translation)
בכיר חמאס: "50 מההרוגים במהומות - אנשי הארגון"

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

As for your Arizona example, let me ask you this. If - during the course of retaking their land - Arizonians captured a part of Mexico, do you think they ought to give that captured piece of Mexico back to the aggressors? If so, then doesn't attacking other countries become a no-lose situation?

Right, just like the Allies annexed the captured parts of Germany, Japan and Italy after the Second World War.

 

[esmith]

When you mess with the bull you get the horns. Enough said

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

When you mess with the bull you get the horns. Enough said

Yep! Might makes right. Who cares about stupid things like "human rights" or "proportional use of force"?

Of course, when the Palestinians respond with THEIR horns, I'm confident you'll be equally glib and insouciant.

 

[icehorse]

Right, just like the Allies annexed the captured parts of Germany, Japan and Italy after the Second World War.

More like what we did with the Ottoman empire after WWI.