It seems to me that many of the atheists on here are just here because they hate Christianity.

[james bond]

ROTFLMAO

You are always good for a laugh

Here, I will let you have the last word since it is so important to you.

Not the last word, but the last laugh as in he who laughs last, laughs best

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We will know who was right after this group of RF pass on and go to their final destination. As I stated, there are no atheists in the afterlife. The atheists claim there is no afterlife, but do not have evidence. Some do not recognize that consciousness lives on after we die. It's probably like when we are dreaming. You body and mind may be asleep, but your consciousness is in a dream state. SA states your dream consciousness is different from wakeful consciousness -- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dream-states/ .

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why is it that you believe your bible is real and other religious texts are just mythology and stories? Secondly, if your holy book can so easily be altered, how can anything in it be trusted to be accurate?

No, the ' book' was Not altered, rather some people have tried to tamper with it, but the ancient manuscripts have showed them as being add ons.

The Bible is full of corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages showing the internal harmony between its many writers. No other religious book does that.

The Bible names real people and real places. Explains how we lost the paradisical Garden of Eden, and how mankind will, through Christ, regain paradise on Earth. During Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth. Thus, mankind will have the same opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.- Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 35

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Not the last word, but the last laugh as in he who laughs last, laughs best
We will know who was right after this group of RF pass on and go to their final destination. As I stated, there are no atheists in the afterlife. The atheists claim there is no afterlife, but do not have evidence. Some do not recognize that consciousness lives on after we die. It's probably like when we are dreaming. You body and mind may be asleep, but your consciousness is in a dream state. SA states your dream consciousness is different from wakeful consciousness -- .

Jesus, to me, is part of the 'some' who do Not recognize that consciousness lives on at death.
If consciousness lived on after death there would be No need for a resurrection.
Something alive does Not need a resurrection.
Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach uncounscious sleep in death - John 11:12-14
- Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

Since the soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20, and the soul can be destroyed - Acts of the Apostles 3:23,
then, the only biblical hope is that there will be a resurrection for the unconscious dead - Revelation 1:18
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 - that there 'is going to be ' a resurrection....
If dead people were alive or conscious in another realm of existence there would be No need for a resurrection.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How do I know if I am an atheist or not ?

I had an English teacher who was asked if she was an atheist and she said she was an agnostic.
Could it be that you also fall into that same agnostic category.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Agreed. Does Revelation 13:10 teach us to lay down our weapons though? It's not to use them.

Yes, lay down fighting weapons as in Do not use weapons of war.
1st-century Christians were Not popular for their neutral stance.
Jesus' modern-day followers will also be hated for their neutral stance - Matthew 10:22

 

[JustWondering]

No, the ' book' was Not altered, rather some people have tried to tamper with it, but the ancient manuscripts have showed them as being add ons.

Your book was compiled by a Roman emperor who decided to make it the state religion and he insured it contained passages such as "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" and verses that said one should be meek and obey those in authority. If god is real and gave us intelligence in the first place, would it want us to not use that intelligence and be mindless pawns? That wouldn't make any sense, and if it doesn't make sense it's nonsense.

The Bible is full of corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages showing the internal harmony between its many writers. No other religious book does that.

You mean the type of harmony where one of the writers doesn't even mention the virgin birth? Maybe you mean the harmony where they state completely different lineages for Jesus? The explanation that makes actual sense is that they're just stories people made up a long time ago.

The Bible names real people and real places. Explains how we lost the paradisical Garden of Eden, and how mankind will, through Christ, regain paradise on Earth. During Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth. Thus, mankind will have the same opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.- Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 35

The new television series Lucifer takes place in Los Angeles, therefore it must all be real right? I mean, the stories set in a real place after all? I saw a book once that was about how President Lincoln killed vampires, since Lincoln was a real person then everything in that book must be true, right? So far your logic and arguments would only be convincing to someone who also believed in Santa Claus.

 

[james bond]

Jesus, to me, is part of the 'some' who do Not recognize that consciousness lives on at death.
If consciousness lived on after death there would be No need for a resurrection.
Something alive does Not need a resurrection.
Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach uncounscious sleep in death - John 11:12-14
- Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

Since the soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20, and the soul can be destroyed - Acts of the Apostles 3:23,
then, the only biblical hope is that there will be a resurrection for the unconscious dead - Revelation 1:18
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 - that there 'is going to be ' a resurrection....
If dead people were alive or conscious in another realm of existence there would be No need for a resurrection.

Interesting point. I'll have to review. Are you saying the soul is consciousness?

 

[james bond]

Yes, lay down fighting weapons as in Do not use weapons of war.
1st-century Christians were Not popular for their neutral stance.
Jesus' modern-day followers will also be hated for their neutral stance - Matthew 10:22

What does this say about every POTUS in our lifetime leading us into war? All is for world peace, but it does not come. If we kept our swords sheathed, then what happens?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

As I stated, there are no atheists in the afterlife. The atheists claim there is no afterlife, but do not have evidence.

The irony of making a definitive statement about who is in heaven, immediately followed by noting that atheists lack evidence on heaven's non-existence is mind-blowing.
Assuming it was intentional, well-played sir.

 

[McBell]

As I stated, there are no atheists in the afterlife.

Bold empty claim.

The atheists claim there is no afterlife, but do not have evidence.

This one doesn't make any such claim.
Nice try with the broad brush strawman.

Some do not recognize that consciousness lives on after we die.

Bold Empty Claim

It's probably like when we are dreaming. You body and mind may be asleep, but your consciousness is in a dream state. SA states your dream consciousness is different from wakeful consciousness -- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dream-states/ .

wishful thinking.

Please note I am not saying you are wrong.
I am saying your claims are just empty claims based upon wishful thinking.

 

[Electriceclectic]

I had an English teacher who was asked if she was an atheist and she said she was an agnostic.
Could it be that you also fall into that same agnostic category.

I dont know . I dont know if I am an atheist or an agnostic.

 

[columbus]

I dont know . I dont know if I am an atheist or an agnostic.

I think that this is a bigger deal than the sort of person who frequents RF might realize. Most atheists just don't think about it much.
They look around at the cobbled together stories and insupportable assertions that make up the bulk of religious beliefs and organizations. They realize that they don't buy the crap and stop believing.
After that there is no particular motivation to get deeply involved in it. There is no God to concern oneself with and no organization requiring adherence to any code.
It just doesn't matter exactly what one doesn't believe in.
Tom

 

[fantome profane]

As I stated, there are no atheists in the afterlife.

What if you died and discovered there was no God there, just a bunch of dead smucks wandering around in the void with nobody in charge?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I still haven't mentioned rape. Its not an issue right now except perhaps with discussing the punishment for rapists. Why would the woman have to go to the man as his wife .......

At Deuteronomy 22:28-29 it mentions ' and they are discovered '
That seems to indicate being they are caught when there is No mention of her crying out for help.
There seems to be a difference between what is going on in verses 23-24
There seems to be a difference between what is going on in verses 25-27
In verse 29 the reason given is: as wife because he had afflicted her.

So now we seem to have translation issues. There are tools we can use to get a better idea as to what is going on but those are guesses at best. What we need is original documentation and an understanding of the language both in base and colloquially.

I agree in those cases it is probably different. But how different is it really? A man walks up to a young woman or worse breaks into the home and rapes a woman who cries out. She is not stoned to death and she is not forced to marry her attacker. That seems common sense does it not? That is really more of an assault than just a rape. In the bible we see it time and time again called "rape" if it is premarital sex. And in today's world it is more than 80% likely that a rapist knows the woman personally. In many cases it is friends, family ect. Back in biblical days women were a step above cattle in terms of property. Well loved of course. In fact in similar religious teachings in Islam not to far away geographically it refrences women as a box of precious jewels. Gold is well loved and well cared for but it is a possesson none the less. Women are in much the same way concerned in biblical times. The woman had no right ot refuse her husband and this remained so untill the 20th century in most of the west. It still isn't considered "rape" to rape your wife in much of the world today.

Now where I am headed to in this point is that a young man who is known to the house rapes a woman. Perhaps she cries out perhaps she does not. Whatever the cirumstances even in this case we would see her sold off to the man who raped her. It was a domestic issue rather than a violent one.

What Jesus expects of his followers is self-sacrificing love for others according to John 13:34-35
Whatever happened in the past will be taken care of on Resurrection Day ( Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth ) when righteousness will be the norm on Earth. So, if there was any injustice to anyone that will be a thing of the past, and only a bright future ahead - Jeremiah 29:11

Which is terrible for those of us alive on Earth today. It is not an effective way to build a society. I personally don't believe that to be true and many a terrible person goes unpunished because someone is deluded into thinking that god will punish them some time later. But now in the current covenant with the unchanging forever the same god (sarcasm) I can rape, murder, steal, cheat and whatever I damn well please. I can get away scott free without any punishment on earth. I can do this for years and then turn over a new leaf. Let god into my life and be forgiven by his grace.

So which is it? Will all wrongs be righted or will I be given grace?

 

[jonathan180iq]

We will know who was right after this group of RF pass on and go to their final destination. As I stated, there are no atheists in the afterlife. The atheists claim there is no afterlife, but do not have evidence. Some do not recognize that consciousness lives on after we die. It's probably like when we are dreaming. You body and mind may be asleep, but your consciousness is in a dream state. SA states your dream consciousness is different from wakeful consciousness -- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dream-states/ .

I don't know if you missed an important part of that article or what, but it does nothing to help support your position. Both states (dreaming and awake) require a healthy and functioning brain in order to perceive anything...

Consciousness is just a product of a functioning brain. Once your brain is dead, so is everything else about you.

There is no consciousness without mind. And those things die, just like everything else.

 

[james bond]

Bold empty claim.


This one doesn't make any such claim.
Nice try with the broad brush strawman.


Bold Empty Claim


wishful thinking.

Please note I am not saying you are wrong.
I am saying your claims are just empty claims based upon wishful thinking.

Last point first. Your pov is acknowledged and understood. I'm saying you are wrong Mestemia. Just like atheists are usually wrong.

So you're saying that death and the afterlife are not important? That our short lives are all there is and all that will be?

The believers think it is of utmost importance.

Listen to George Harrison before he died. He's not referring to Christianity. Sorry, it's long, but listen to the first part of the interview on death.

 

[james bond]

The irony of making a definitive statement about who is in heaven, immediately followed by noting that atheists lack evidence on heaven's non-existence is mind-blowing.
Assuming it was intentional, well-played sir.

Not heaven. That's Christianity. I'm just talking about an afterlife.

 

[james bond]

What if you died and discovered there was no God there, just a bunch of dead smucks wandering around in the void with nobody in charge?

Then one is an atheist. After an atheist dies, it will be dark and void and the ones speaking to you will be other atheists. All of which you believed in your life will be there.

How do I know? It's from what I gathered from studying near-death experiences.

 

[james bond]

I don't know if you missed an important part of that article or what, but it does nothing to help support your position. Both states (dreaming and awake) require a healthy and functioning brain in order to perceive anything...

Consciousness is just a product of a functioning brain. Once your brain is dead, so is everything else about you.

There is no consciousness without mind. And those things die, just like everything else.

Fair enough. I don't know. The article was differentiating wakeful consciousness vs sleeping consciousness (the body and brain are disengaged). I said mind to which I correct now.

Do you really mean brain? That dreams are physical representations? How do you explain near-death experiences when one is pronounced clinically dead. Neurologists have explained that the electrical currents in the nerves still go on.

BTW like the Tom Cruise gif. Oblivion?

 

[Altfish]

Then one is an atheist. After an atheist dies, it will be dark and void and the ones speaking to you will be other atheists. All of which you believed in your life will be there.

How do I know? It's from what I gathered from studying near-death experiences.

That's not what atheists believe.
Atheists believe that after you die, that is it, kaput, no more, worm food. You will exist just like you did 20-years before you were born; with a few small differences, hopefully people will have fond memories of you and your genes will be present in your off-spring