It seems to me that many of the atheists on here are just here because they hate Christianity.

[Monk Of Reason]

[QUOTE="Monk Of Reason, post: 4970952, member: 44586"
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
This verse or teaching of Jesus validates all of the previous horrific things described in the bible. Like this little gem in Deuteronomey 22:20-21
20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

and continuing at Deuteronomy 22:23-24 if she did Not scream out.....
Deuteronomy 22:25-27 man forced her ( rape )..... and in verse 27 she cried out...
When the woman cried out because of being raped she was considered as: Not guilty.

Verses 16-21 is dealing with fornicators/adulterers . Both fornication and adultery carried with it the death penalty.[/QUOTE]

I didn't mention anything about rape. I"m taking about stoning to death a girl because she wasn't a virgin. Few things wrong. Firstly I don't think anyone's sexual conduct is worthy of the death penalty excpet rape. Which god has no real punishment for except to get the girl as his permanent sex slave...I mean "traditional wife". That sounds pretty bad to me. Secondly what if the man isn't a virgin? why not stone him to death? I don't give a good god damn if a woman isn't guilty of adultry if she is raped...sorry only if she cries out during a rape.

Not to even get into what the verses say about homosexuals, wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork, getting tattoos or working on the Sabbath. We can even get into where god laid out the logistics of slavery.

 

[james bond]

Didn't Jesus say he was the way, the truth and the life ? ______
So, if one wants to gain 'everlasting life '(in Heaven, or forever on Earth) then one would be willing to obey Jesus.

God gave us the 10 Commandments and Jesus gave us the Sermon on the Mount. All else are human matters. Jesus was wise enough to see that using a law is a double-edged sword. Thus, He left it up to humans. For example, people of the church said that a marriage is between a man and a woman. In 2015, the law changed. Thus, if the church does not change, then they may have to start paying taxes for not being in compliance with the law.

 

[james bond]

STILL whining about...

smh. MORE whining.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For example, people of the church said that a marriage is between a man and a woman.

["] Josephus in two places speaks of polygamy as a recognized institution: and Justin Martyr makes it a matter of reproach to Trypho that the Jewish teachers permitted a man to have several wives. Indeed when in 212 A.D. the lex Antoniana de civitate gave the rights of Roman Citizenship to great numbers of Jews, it was found necessary to tolerate polygamy among them, even though it was against Roman law for a citizen to have more than one wife. In 285 A.D. a constitution of Diocletian and Maximian interdicted polygamy to all subjects of the empire without exception. But with the Jews, at least, the enactment failed of its effect; and in 393 A.D. a special law was issued by Theodosius to compel the Jews to relinquish this national custom. Even so they were not induced to conform."

I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity

 

[Reggie Miller]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity

Matthew 19:3-6

 

[jonathan180iq]

Am I wrong? Can any of you atheists say anything good about Christianity at all?

Yes - you're wrong. I'm equally critical of people who believe that their Yoga position will open up a magical spirit world inside their bodies and align their chakras with the holy buddah, or what the **** ever... Christianity is just one of many completely unrealistic worldviews. Please don't think so highly of yourself. Just because it's the most well-known among skeptics and the easiest to pick-on doesn't mean it's special.

Without Christianity, the progress created by the Roman Empire would not have been as easily spread throughout the world. So, I'll thank god for that. Also, the Sermon on the Mount is fairly decent. Good on the forever-lost historical author who invented that one.

If any atheists responding could compliment my religion too, that'd be cool.

You're religion is pretty rad, bro!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

and continuing at Deuteronomy 22:23-24 if she did Not scream out.....
Deuteronomy 22:25-27 man forced her ( rape )..... and in verse 27 she cried out...
When the woman cried out because of being raped she was considered as: Not guilty.
Verses 16-21 is dealing with fornicators/adulterers . Both fornication and adultery carried with it the death penalty.

I didn't mention anything about rape. I"m taking about stoning to death a girl because she wasn't a virgin. Few things wrong. Firstly I don't think anyone's sexual conduct is worthy of the death penalty excpet rape. Which god has no real punishment for except to get the girl as his permanent sex slave...I mean "traditional wife". That sounds pretty bad to me. Secondly what if the man isn't a virgin? why not stone him to death? I don't give a good god damn if a woman isn't guilty of adultry if she is raped...sorry only if she cries out during a rape.
Not to even get into what the verses say about homosexuals, wearing mixed fabrics, eating pork, getting tattoos or working on the Sabbath. We can even get into where god laid out the logistics of slavery.[/QUOTE]

First of all, Israel was Not in the slave-trade business.
People under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law could only be under such servitude for 6 years at the most.
There were No debtors prisons, so a person could work off their debt being treated as hired help - Leviticus 25:39-40. Also, all debts were settled in the Jubilee years - Leviticus 25:11-13
Remember the temporary Mosaic Law was only for one nation the nation of ancient (Not modern) Israel.
The wearing of mixed fabrics, eating pork, a blue hem thread, tattoos, etc. were all to distinguish 'them' from the neighboring nations so as Not to get involved in their lifestyles.
Also, the eating of pork back then, if Not properly cooked, could have caused sickness for them.
That prohibition was for safety health reasons.

Fornicators and adulterers both 'male and female' both received the death penalty - Deuteronomy 22:22
Rape is Not fornication or adultery.
Sexual immorality has always been considered as wrong in Scripture.
However, even under the Mosaic Law there was mercy shown for repentant sinners.
One outstanding example was between King David and Bath-sheba.

As the Law covenant contract was temporary, so is the system we live under today is temporary, what is next to follow is a permanent system or governmental rule where the Law of Love will be the norm. There will be No need for debtors prisons, or any prisons for that matter, No death penalty, because righteousness will exist over Earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

God gave us the 10 Commandments and Jesus gave us the Sermon on the Mount. All else are human matters. Jesus was wise enough to see that using a law is a double-edged sword. Thus, He left it up to humans. For example, people of the church said that a marriage is between a man and a woman. In 2015, the law changed. Thus, if the church does not change, then they may have to start paying taxes for not being in compliance with the law.

There is more involved than just having to pay taxes to comply with secular law - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Starting with the end of the first century the ' church ' (aka Christendom) has followed church tradition, church customs, instead of Scripture - Matthew 15:9. Jesus taught to pay taxes, Jesus taught to lay down war weapons - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10 - but the 'church ' ignores what Jesus taught often in favor of a political agenda instead of Jesus' agenda. Teaching their agenda as if it is Jesus' agenda when it is Not. They will Not change.

The ' church ' is often in bed with the political ' kings ' and she sees herself as some sort of religious ' queen ' who will never see mourning or sorrow - Revelation 18:7 - so she will be in shock when the political/military world will suddenly turn against her and topple her forever.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

First of all, Israel was Not in the slave-trade business.
People under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law could only be under such servitude for 6 years at the most.
There were No debtors prisons, so a person could work off their debt being treated as hired help - Leviticus 25:39-40. Also, all debts were settled in the Jubilee years - Leviticus 25:11-13

On slavery
Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished .Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
That was just to add more. Here is the direct response to being freed from six years. Exodus 21.
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.
So if its a man they are free to go but if that man sires children while a slave the master keeps the wife and child forever. Also if the man wants to stay with his wife and child he has to go back to being a slave FOREVER.

But yay...the merciful lord and savior didn't have debt prisons.

Remember the temporary Mosaic Law was only for one nation the nation of ancient (Not modern) Israel.
The wearing of mixed fabrics, eating pork, a blue hem thread, tattoos, etc. were all to distinguish 'them' from the neighboring nations so as Not to get involved in their lifestyles.
Also, the eating of pork back then, if Not properly cooked, could have caused sickness for them.
That prohibition was for safety health reasons.

Why is it temporary if god is unchanging and forever? Why is it that it never stated prior to the Christian interpretation of the bible that this was "temporary" or functioning as a way to seperate them? Eating pork just like ANY meat can get you sick if not cooked correctly. In fact ther is good evidence the reason that it was a commandment is because the people at the time knew that it was dangerous from empirical evidence. Same with hand washing. But it was still punishable and an abomination.

Fornicators and adulterers both 'male and female' both received the death penalty - Deuteronomy 22:22
Rape is Not fornication or adultery.
Sexual immorality has always been considered as wrong in Scripture.
However, even under the Mosaic Law there was mercy shown for repentant sinners.
One outstanding example was between King David and Bath-sheba.

I still haven't mentioned rape. Its not an issue right now except perhaps with discussing the punishment for rapists. Why would the woman have to go to the man as his wife after being raped?

What of homosexuals and stoning them to death? Significant harm being done there.

As the Law covenant contract was temporary, so is the system we live under today is temporary, what is next to follow is a permanent system or governmental rule where the Law of Love will be the norm. There will be No need for debtors prisons, or any prisons for that matter, No death penalty, because righteousness will exist over Earth.

For an unchanging everlasting god he changes his mind a crap ton.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Matthew 19:3-6

And?

Can you connect the dots from "don't divorce" to "only marry one woman"?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Monk Of Reason:

First of all, the Constitution of the Mosaic Law was temporary and for only ancient Israel.
Since those in slavery were treated as hired hands, then working conditions would Not be as we view slavery.
Since the man was in slavery because he was in debt, then staying with the master insured that he and his family would be cared for. There were certain sets of circumstances which brought about certain conditions to be met.
We don't know all the details about the Law, but the Law led the way to Christ, and Jesus as Christ will lead righteous people to a righteous new 1,000-year time frame when only righteousness will continue to exist on Earth.

 

[McBell]

smh. MORE whining.

One wonders how long you will keep whining about it....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

[QUOTE="Monk Of Reason, post: 4973746, member: 44586"
I still haven't mentioned rape. Its not an issue right now except perhaps with discussing the punishment for rapists. Why would the woman have to go to the man as his wife .......[/QUOTE]

At Deuteronomy 22:28-29 it mentions ' and they are discovered '
That seems to indicate being they are caught when there is No mention of her crying out for help.
There seems to be a difference between what is going on in verses 23-24
There seems to be a difference between what is going on in verses 25-27
In verse 29 the reason given is: as wife because he had afflicted her.

What Jesus expects of his followers is self-sacrificing love for others according to John 13:34-35
Whatever happened in the past will be taken care of on Resurrection Day ( Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth ) when righteousness will be the norm on Earth. So, if there was any injustice to anyone that will be a thing of the past, and only a bright future ahead - Jeremiah 29:11

 

[james bond]

There is more involved than just having to pay taxes to comply with secular law - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Starting with the end of the first century the ' church ' (aka Christendom) has followed church tradition, church customs, instead of Scripture - Matthew 15:9. Jesus taught to pay taxes, Jesus taught to lay down war weapons - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10 - but the 'church ' ignores what Jesus taught often in favor of a political agenda instead of Jesus' agenda. Teaching their agenda as if it is Jesus' agenda when it is Not. They will Not change.

The ' church ' is often in bed with the political ' kings ' and she sees herself as some sort of religious ' queen ' who will never see mourning or sorrow - Revelation 18:7 - so she will be in shock when the political/military world will suddenly turn against her and topple her forever.

Agreed. Does Revelation 13:10 teach us to lay down our weapons though? It's not to use them.

 

[james bond]

One wonders how long you will keep whining about it....

Only after you keep whining first.

 

[McBell]

Only after you keep whining first.

ROTFLMAO

You are always good for a laugh

Here, I will let you have the last word since it is so important to you.

 

[JustWondering]

Please keep in mind the gospel according to Mark ends at Mark 16:8
So, the KJV snake thing is an add on.
The style of writing changes after verse 8
There are No corresponding verses or passages after verse 8 as there is with the rest of Mark.
Jerome and Eusebius both believed Mark 16 ended at verse 8
So, such handling snakes is Not rational and Not biblical.

Why is it that you believe your bible is real and other religious texts are just mythology and stories? Secondly, if your holy book can so easily be altered, how can anything in it be trusted to be accurate?

 

[JustWondering]

In ancient Israel when those Israelites became apostate, then God used the Babylonian forces against them.
In the year 70 God used the Roman forces against unfaithful Jerusalem.
We are forewarned there would be a great falling away according to Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
The United Nations today sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world.
With backing the U.N. can be strengthened to become God's modern-day Arm of the Law to surprisingly go up against the world's troublesome religious groups.

Since unfaithful Christendom claims to have God's Word (Bible) then 'spiritual house cleaning' will begin or start with the religious ' house ' of God - 1 Peter 4:17

P.S. If ALL the American polluting businesses were brought back to America, how long would it take for the religious-right science deniers to want regulations ?

Fear seems to be the primary motivator where Abrahamic religions are concerned. Do you enjoy living in fear of non-existent forces/beings?

As for your pollution question

 

[Electriceclectic]

How do I know if I am an atheist or not ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Fear seems to be the primary motivator where Abrahamic religions are concerned. Do you enjoy living in fear of non-existent forces/beings?

Fear of what ?
Scripture teaches that the ' day ' ( thousand-year day) is coming when sickness and death on Earth will end.
Who would fear seeing sickness and death end ?
1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 33:24
Everyone in the graves will be resurrected out of the grave - Revelation 1:18
The Bibles hell is merely mankind's temporary grave until resurrection day ( Jesus millennium-long day of governing over Earth ) . Since the dead know nothing but unconscious sleep - Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17 Psalms 146:4 -
Then when resurrected it will be as being awakened from sleep - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13 ; John 11:12-14

Mankind has polluted the Earth. When left alone Earth is resilient and bounces back.
Sunflowers were planted where there was radioactive soil and the sunflowers helped.