Umm...well...something, something worshipping cows?
Sorry mate, I know a few Hindus, but I can't make too many generalizations about them.
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It seems to me that many of the atheists on here are just here because they hate Christianity.
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Umm...well...something, something worshipping cows?
Sorry mate, I know a few Hindus, but I can't make too many generalizations about them.
Well, it's an old classic. Good enough for me.
james bond
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Hey. No talking about me behind my back.I agree, though. I've been to forums where "atheists" where very brutal with anti-christian remarks. With the OT, though, I did read the full Bible. I guess from a non-christian perspective it's like watching an action movie with a lot of killings. Those who like it say "well, it's a war. They have to defend themselves. It's for a good cause." Where people like me say no killing is for a good cause. The very fact that the OT mentions children were killed just as adults (no difference) is a big sign of how Christians and any other god of abraham believer can find inspiration out of the Bible. It has always puzzled me.
I did ask about it many times of how a christian can be inspired by the literal teachings of the Bible. Even if it's metaphorical, it's still saying that people are being killed or murdered on behalf of god's command. So, I think it's a belief Christians can try to defend but at the end, they'd just have to accept that's their belief, they see it differently, and there is killing in the Bible nonetheless.
I'm sure not all Christians are blind to it, right?
I thought I was addressing you
. It's interesting that you've read the entire Bible. This person whom I am talking about (behind his back) did the same. I haven't read the entire Bible since becoming full-fledged Christian since 2012, but am digesting things as I go along.The backstory is that God did not want the Canaanites or pagans who were sacrilegious and sacrificed children to live. It was a different time. (Infantcide and abortion were legal and common during Roman times. Today, this topic is coming up again http://www.businessinsider.com/the-shocking-case-for-legalizing-infanticide-2012-2 .) History tells us the Jews were able to gain their promised land. However, the Jewish soldiers did not carry out the orders completely and instead made the Canaanites slaves. More evidence of humans not following God's commands.
I'm not sure why you think this is metaphorical.
There is more evidence of Israelite human sacrifice than Canaanite. Plus the Israelite were told by God to kill all the children, too. How is that better? I'll save you from child sacrifice by killing you myself?I thought I was addressing you
The backstory is that God did not want the Canaanites or pagans who were sacrilegious and sacrificed children to live. It was a different time. (Infantcide and abortion were legal and common during Roman times. Today, this topic is coming up again http://www.businessinsider.com/the-shocking-case-for-legalizing-infanticide-2012-2 .) History tells us the Jews were able to gain their promised land. However, the Jewish soldiers did not carry out the orders completely and instead made the Canaanites slaves. More evidence of humans not following God's commands.
I'm not sure why you think this is metaphorical.
Also this wasn't anywhere near Roman times. Babylon and Sumer predate Rome by a lot.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I thought I was addressing you
The backstory is that God did not want the Canaanites or pagans who were sacrilegious and sacrificed children to live. It was a different time. (Infantcide and abortion were legal and common during Roman times. Today, this topic is coming up again http://www.businessinsider.com/the-shocking-case-for-legalizing-infanticide-2012-2 .) History tells us the Jews were able to gain their promised land. However, the Jewish soldiers did not carry out the orders completely and instead made the Canaanites slaves. More evidence of humans not following God's commands.
I'm not sure why you think this is metaphorical.
I didnt say it was metaphorical. Regardless if its literal or metaphoric, which both have value, I dislike killing. There are many instances that god actually killed because a of gaining a promise land, looking back at sin, dying for others out of obligation not choice, and so forth.
Regardless, christians find value in that. I dont see how. Thats me.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
@james bond Artist said it better than me. How do you justify that as from a loving god? Why do you feel the need to justify it? Death is the hallmark of the christian faith. How can one get out of that fact if they are christians?
Your's is one of many gods I find abominable.
I understand that primitive folks who didn't know much invented that. But modern people with vastly more and better understanding have not got the ignorance excuse.
Tom
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GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
He told you that, did he?
The Hippocratic Oath required the physician not to carry out abortions and Aristotle declared them immoral after quickening.
McBell
Unbound
Is your claim that because of the above there were no abortions back then?
Dave, I hate to embarrass you but we really aren't that tight.
*laughs*
Well-played sir.
Don't worry, though, I don't embarrass easily. Have you seen my fashion sense?
You must be worshiping different Gods than I because the Gods I believe in don't care if you believe in them or not. It's not like they need us. So I fail to see where your nasty attitude towards atheists is stemming from.
Frankie, it warms my heart to see you defending us poor, misunderstood Godless wanderers.
*hugs it out*
I did ask my Gods for help, but predictably they weren't home. I suspect they vacation somewhere warm.
I was an atheist for a few years, and it would seem that many do come from a Christian background, but atheists tend to come to natural conclusion, and it's often a misrepresentation of atheism to assume that they all ''hate'' Christianity.
It's a pretty understandable recipe, really.
- Take the world's biggest religion.
- Take away the threat of imprisonment or worse if you admit to being a non-believer.
- Simmer for a couple of hundred years, then sprinkle liberally with interwebz and essence of Christopher Hitchens.
- Serve with a garnish of freedom to make your own choice and a nice peppermint tea...served in Russell's teapot, of course.
If any of those ingredients are missing...particularly the freedom to make your own choice...then the instances of reported atheism tend to drop away. So, personally, I think liberal Christians who allow people the freedom to make their own choices should see the number of atheists in some sort of positive light. Those that return to the faith are doing so for lot's of reasons, I guess, but there seems more chance it's not pure self-preservation or due to legal compulsion. People holding too tightly to their religion, and people forcing it on others always strike me as quite insecure.
Anywhoos...haven't spoken for a while, so hope you're doing well. Despite the Christian thing. Ahem...
(sorry, couldn't resist that!
)Child sacrifice did Not enter God's mind according to Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3
Such a crime was against the Constitution of the Mosaic Law - Deuteronomy 18:10; Deuteronomy 12:31
God can read hearts and knows when a situation has reached the point of No return.
The children on Noah's Day were turning out violent as their parents.
If unchecked, righteous Noah and family would have been killed off leaving No one righteous left on Earth.
So, God knows the point of no remorse, no repentance.
In Joshua's time the land was inhabited by Hivites one of the seven Canaanite nations.
The Gibeonites there were also called Amorites.
They realized that God was fighting for Israel and they accepted that and made peace with the Israelites.
They ( like Rahab and her family ) were spared.
Gibeonites were also among those returning from Babylonian exile in the year 537 BCE
They even shared in repairing Jerusalem's wall - Nehemiah 3:7; Nehemiah 7:6; Nehemiah 7:25
The wicked now will also reach the point of no remorse, no repentance, and the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked. Execute for the sake of justice for righteous ones
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Psalms 92:7
Maybe even more than one...
Not talking about the bible as it is certainly not evidence for history. Although human sacrifice was indeed mentioned in several passages including most notably exodus 22:29-30, judges 11:30-39 and if course Genesis 22:2 which has evidence of ad hoc tampering after human sacrifice fell out of favor. (Copied from Agamemnon's story and altered to suit the resurrection narrative then delayed until Jesus according to the Christians).
The fact is that there is no direct evidence of Canaanite human sacrifice, that's just a common scapegoat modern Christians argue for the mass cleansing (aka genocide) of the non-abrahamic people in the land they were conquering under their then war god.
I think that part of this is true, while some of it could be speculation on why some Christians return to faith, after leaving it. Not all people treat their faith beliefs as a ''religion,'' which is how things have changed for me, now.It's a pretty understandable recipe, really.
Voila!!
- Take the world's biggest religion.
- Take away the threat of imprisonment or worse if you admit to being a non-believer.
- Simmer for a couple of hundred years, then sprinkle liberally with interwebz and essence of Christopher Hitchens.
- Serve with a garnish of freedom to make your own choice and a nice peppermint tea...served in Russell's teapot, of course.
If any of those ingredients are missing...particularly the freedom to make your own choice...then the instances of reported atheism tend to drop away. So, personally, I think liberal Christians who allow people the freedom to make their own choices should see the number of atheists in some sort of positive light. Those that return to the faith are doing so for lot's of reasons, I guess, but there seems more chance it's not pure self-preservation or due to legal compulsion. People holding too tightly to their religion, and people forcing it on others always strike me as quite insecure.
Anywhoos...haven't spoken for a while, so hope you're doing well. Despite the Christian thing. Ahem...
(sorry, couldn't resist that!