Italian Minister sparks row with "ethnic replacement" warning

[Hermit Philosopher]

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And yet, you called your thread “ethnic replacement”; not “replacement migration”.

Are you saying you equated those?

Because the former is absolutely used by Europe’s neofascists to try to make people believe that there’s a hidden agenda amongst people of a “particular” ethnicity to “invade” certain parts of the world by fleeing to them!

Only a people so horrendously blinded by their own privilege, as to never be able to conceive what it’d be like to find themselves surrounded by war, famine, natural disasters, starvation, etc. and have nowhere to escape to, could be fully so arrogant in their analysis of things.

 

[Audie]

And yet, you called your thread “ethnic replacement”; not “replacement migration”.

Are you saying you equated those?

Because the former is absolutely used by Europe’s neofascists to try to make people believe that there’s a hidden agenda amongst people of a “particular” ethnicity to “invade” certain parts of the world by fleeing to them!

Only a people so horrendously blinded by their own privilege, as to never be able to conceive what it’d be like to find themselves surrounded by war, famine, natural disasters, starvation, etc. and have nowhere to escape to, could be fully so arrogant in their analysis of things.

Hidden agenda? It's wide open to all.

Let us know when you fill your privileged
space with some of those huddled masses.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Hidden agenda? It's wide open to all.

I thought you said our conclusions about you were unwarranted?

 

[Estro Felino]

And yet, you called your thread “ethnic replacement”; not “replacement migration”.

Are you saying you equated those?

Because the former is absolutely used by Europe’s neofascists to try to make people believe that there’s a hidden agenda amongst people of a “particular” ethnicity to “invade” certain parts of the world by fleeing to them!

Only a people so horrendously blinded by their own privilege, as to never be able to conceive what it’d be like to find themselves surrounded by war, famine, natural disasters, starvation, etc. and have nowhere to escape to, could be fully so arrogant in their analysis of things.

That UN document shows that the agenda is not hidden at all.
It's all aboveboard.

 

[Estro Felino]

Only a people so horrendously blinded by their own privilege, as to never be able to conceive what it’d be like to find themselves surrounded by war, famine, natural disasters, starvation, etc. and have nowhere to escape to, could be fully so arrogant in their analysis of things.

I assure you that the G7, EU, USA, IMF, WB, have all the money to solve the problems of Africa.
By helping them there.
They won't do it because their covetousness and selfishness prevents them from doing it.

 

[Audie]

I thought you said our conclusions about you were unwarranted?

Which of your misbegotten conclusions are you
referring to?
Are you under the impression it's a secret and
a big surprise that open immigration to a
prosperous country would see the
poor keep flooding in?

Or that they, being only human, would not
want to see language, customs, and ethnicity
shift to theirs?

 

[Audie]

That UN document shows that the agenda is not hidden at all.
It's all aboveboard.

There you go. Horrendously blinded by privilege.
Like me. We should have antifa riots at our doors directly.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

That UN document shows that the agenda is not hidden at all.
It's all aboveboard.

I assure you that the G7, EU, USA, IMF, WB, have all the money to solve the problems of Africa.
By helping them there.
They won't do it because their covetousness and selfishness prevents them from doing it.

Those who are incapable of learning through empathy, shall learn from experience.

That is a blessing that I, myself, did have to learn the hard way.

I have faith that it shall come to you too.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Which of your misbegotten conclusions are you
referring to?
Are you under the impression it's a secret and
a big surprise that open immigration to a
prosperous country would not see the
poor keep flooding in?

Do you understand the difference between wanting open borders and not wanting ethno-states?

Of course you do. You just conflate the two because it's easier than defending the existence of ethno-states, which are dumb and bad, and also dumb.

 

[Audie]

Those who are incapable of learning through empathy, shall learn from experience.

That is a blessing that I, myself, did have to learn the hard way.

I have faith that it shall come to you too.

You must be terrif. So very much better
person that estro,or me.

How many poor DO you have in your house?

I would say, just btw, that the chance you
have spent a tenth what I have sent in
3rd world assistance would be in, oh, the
range of negative minus zero.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I can't believe this forum has people advocating for fascist replacement theory, Italians are definitely not any better than their immigrants, people are people

If the goal is to have a homogeneous society then there shouldn't be legalized class preferences of one group of people over another.

That type of class preference is just ethnic replacement in reverse where foreigners under pretense get preferences and advantages over the citizens that live there.

That's what fuels replacement theories.

 

[Orbit]

I have listened to the minister's speech. He basically said: "we should boost Italy's birth rate, by telling Italians to have children, instead of importing migrants".
Also because it's logic, since these migrants won't solve the low birth issue.
And then he added: "we cannot surrender to the idea of the ethnic replacement".

"Ethnic replacement" is a racist dog whistle. An ethnostate is what Hitler wanted, which led to the extermination of over 6 million Jews. That's why there's a row.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have listened to the minister's speech. He basically said: "we should boost Italy's birth rate, by telling Italians to have children, instead of importing migrants".
Also because it's logic, since these migrants won't solve the low birth issue.
And then he added: "we cannot surrender to the idea of the ethnic replacement".

I try reverse thinking on the matter.

Imagine telling Indigenous nations they must now accept immigrants who are not Indigenous and offer them full trial benefits.

 

[Audie]

"Ethnic replacement" is a racist dog whistle. An ethnostate is what Hitler wanted, which led to the extermination of over 6 million Jews. That's why there's a row.

Name calling is so intellectual.

You just went Godwin, btw so you
and your attitudes are out.

 

[Orbit]

Name calling is so intellectual.

You just went Godwin, btw so you
and your attitudes are out.

To quote another RFer <yawn> ignore <yawn>

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have listened to the minister's speech. He basically said: "we should boost Italy's birth rate, by telling Italians to have children, instead of importing migrants".
Also because it's logic, since these migrants won't solve the low birth issue.
And then he added: "we cannot surrender to the idea of the ethnic replacement".

I try reverse thinking on the matter.

Imagine telling Indigenous nations they must now accept immigrants who are not Indigenous and offer them full tribal benefits and recognition.

Is that a good or bad thing for Indigenous Nations?

I can see what @Estro Felino is trying to relay.

Is a good thing or bad thing for Italy?

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I try reverse thinking on the matter.

Imagine telling Indigenous nations they must now accept immigrants who are not Indigenous and offer them full trial benefits.

You mean like what we did to the native tribes of the “new world”? Gosh, it’s almost like… eh, karma.

Do not be ridiculous.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You mean like what we did to the native tribes of the “new world”? Gosh, it’s almost like… eh, karma.

Do not be ridiculous.

It's a valid view.

Look at what replacement did to them, and tell me they need to drop their identity as a nation and people and embrace homogeneity.

 

[Estro Felino]

I try reverse thinking on the matter.

Imagine telling Indigenous nations they must now accept immigrants who are not Indigenous and offer them full trial benefits.

Bravissimo. Exactly.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I try reverse thinking on the matter.

Imagine telling Indigenous nations they must now accept immigrants who are not Indigenous and offer them full tribal benefits and recognition.

Wow.

You literally just conflated nation states and "tribes".

This says... SO much about you.

Firstly, no, a nation is not equatable with an indigenous tribe. Nations are not made up of singular ethnographies nor cultures. The fact that you think about nations this way is a clear demonstration of ethno-nationalism.

Secondly, nobody is saying any nation cannot make reasonable expectations and requirements about who they let into their country. It is simply that MAKING ETHNICITY OR RACE AN ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENT OF ENTRY OR LIFE IN THAT COUNTRY IS BAD, both morally and - it turns out - economically and historically.

I am stunned by the number of people on these forums going out to bat for ETHNOSTATES.

It's insane.