Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[SkepticThinker]

In the above statement.
It seems you are implying that most women have had bad experiences with male strangers.

Unless you point out what you mean by bad experience.

"Asked to estimate the levels of sexual harassment experienced by women since the age of 15 as part of an Ipsos Mori survey on the "Perils of Perception," men put their estimates at an average of 44 percent.

The actual number appears to be nearly double that, with a January 2018 poll finding that 81 percent of women in the U.S. had experienced sexual harassment and assault at some point in their lives."

U.S. Men Underestimate How Widespread Harassment Is

But the biggest misconceptions appear to be held by Danish, Dutch and French men.

www.newsweek.com

"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Crime rates typically drop as countries develop socially and economically, partly because their capacity to enforce laws improves and poverty declines. But Gallup data from surveys in 143 countries in 2011 suggest men and women often do not equally share the bolstered sense of security that these types of improvements bring. In many high-income countries -- including New Zealand, Malta, Italy, France, Australia, and the U.S. -- men are considerably more likely than women to say they feel safe walking alone at night in their communities. ...

.... Worldwide, 72% of men and 62% of women say they feel safe walking alone in their communities at night. There were double-digit gender gaps in 84 of the 143 countries studied, with broad gender disparities most common among high-income and upper middle-income countries. The implication is that as countries develop socially and economically, expectations of physical security become the norm for all citizens -- but in many cases women are less likely than men to feel those expectations are being met.

The pronounced gender gap in Europe, the global region with the greatest share of high-income countries, further supports this implication. Among all European countries studied, three-fourths of men (75%) said they felt safe walking alone at night, vs. slightly more than half of women (55%). There is also a large gap among former Soviet Union countries, the global region in which women are least likely to say they feel safe."

Women Feel Less Safe Than Men in Many Developed Countries

New Zealand, Malta, Italy, France, Australia, and the U.S. are among dozens of countries worldwide where men are significantly more likely than women to say they feel safe walking alone at night in their communities.

news.gallup.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/a-majority-of-americans-now-say-that-sexual-harassment-is-a-serious-problem/2017/10/16/707e6b74-b290-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

Poll: A third of women say they've been sexually harassed or abused at work

A third of American women say they’ve been sexually harassed or abused in the workplace, according to a new poll, highlighting an issue roiling the political, media and entertainment industries.

www.pbs.org

 

[SkepticThinker]

That was my impression.
It was to make you understand that overgeneralizing about women is as bad as overgeneralizing about men.

Thanks for the unnecessary lesson, I guess.

I would have preferred you answer my questions instead.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Most men I know have had bad experiences with
women too, eg, they hit, they touch inappropriately,
they make false accusations. These are things I've
experienced. Yet I've never done any of those things.
Any woman who met me in the woods would be
fortunate. I carry a phone, flashlight, extra water & food.
If they can tolerate my appearance & aroma, I'd share.
Oh, I once pulled a gal from a raging river after he
canoe tipped over. Gawd....that was over 50 years ago.
I'd forgotten about it.

I'd be honored to meet you in the woods. Especially if you had all that gear on you.

 

[Kfox]

Yes, it is - Roe v. Wade should be restored immediately and never should have been struck down by this (apparently) misogynistic country. Then, maybe, increasing numbers of women wouldn't rather encounter a bear in the woods than a human male.

Oh stop it! This foolishness has nothing to do with abortion.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd be honored to meet you in the woods. Especially if you had all that gear on you.

It wouldn't be an honor.
But it would be peaceful.

 

[Kfox]

Well, I've said stop to a human man who didn't stop so .... ?

So because 1 out of the millions of different men you had contact with didn't stop when you told him to, that means that all men are more dangerous than a wild bear? You jokin' right???

 

[Revoltingest]

Can you give details about your claim that Obama corrupted Title 9?

There appears to be no paywall.

The ACLU Moves to Embrace Due Process on Title IX

The civil-liberties organization now favors many of the protections proposed by Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Kfox]

Being forceful and talking is a way of scaring a bear off. So that statement isn't entirely accurate.

"Slowly wave your arms above your head and tell the bear to back off."

Staying Safe Around Bears - Bears (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

How many women know this, and how useful has this been proven to be once a bear has already started attacking you? C'mon!

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, it is - Roe v. Wade should be restored immediately and never should have been struck down by this (apparently) misogynistic country. Then, maybe, increasing numbers of women wouldn't rather encounter a bear in the woods than a human male.

To characterize banning abortion as misogynist
is to ignore a better (IMO) explanation, ie, that
partisans have an unrealistic belief (IMO) that
the fetus is entitled to the rights of a baby.

 

[Estro Felino]

Patrizia Gucci...
that shows how men are often victims of women

 

[Magic Man]

There appears to be no paywall.

The ACLU Moves to Embrace Due Process on Title IX

The civil-liberties organization now favors many of the protections proposed by Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

www.theatlantic.com

Thanks, but sadly it is. I can see the first couple paragraphs, but that's it. However, it did give me enough detail to find another one, which had this:

"She took pains to say that she cares deeply about sexual assault, but she worries about an overcorrection, prompted by OCR, that moves universities from ignoring the rights of accusers to trampling on those of the accused.

“Just imagine if you were asked to go in to explain why you didn’t commit a sexual assault,” Halley said. With no information as to what you’re accused of, who’s accusing you, or when it allegedly happened, “you’re required to start explaining yourself. And you’re 18 years old, and no one is helping you."

Halley describes the new system as all but designed to produce “false positives” — innocent students wrongfully punished — both because of the looser evidentiary standard and because of Title IX officers’ desire to produce numbers that show they're taking sexual violence seriously."

But I still can't find specifics. What about the proposed changes from the Obama administration suggested an overcorrection? Do they have that in The Atlantic article?

 

[Revoltingest]

Thanks, but sadly it is. I can see the first couple paragraphs, but that's it. However, it did give me enough detail to find another one, which had this:

"She took pains to say that she cares deeply about sexual assault, but she worries about an overcorrection, prompted by OCR, that moves universities from ignoring the rights of accusers to trampling on those of the accused.

“Just imagine if you were asked to go in to explain why you didn’t commit a sexual assault,” Halley said. With no information as to what you’re accused of, who’s accusing you, or when it allegedly happened, “you’re required to start explaining yourself. And you’re 18 years old, and no one is helping you."

Halley describes the new system as all but designed to produce “false positives” — innocent students wrongfully punished — both because of the looser evidentiary standard and because of Title IX officers’ desire to produce numbers that show they're taking sexual violence seriously."

But I still can't find specifics. What about the proposed changes from the Obama administration suggested an overcorrection? Do they have that in The Atlantic article?

That's the gist of it.

 

[Magic Man]

Patrizia Gucci...
that shows how men are often victims of women

You're going to need a whole lot more than a movie trailer to show that men are often victims of women. You're also going to have to show what that has to do with the fact that women are so wary of men that many of them would choose to be alone with a bear in the woods over a man.

 

[Magic Man]

That's the gist of it.

But in what way did it do that? The woman, Janet Halley, in that article seems legit, but what did they change that would make it that way?

 

[PureX]

There are indeed reasons for the statistical disparity.
But to be clear, they don't excuse wrongful acts.

No one is suggesting they should be excused. But neither does it excuse the ignorance and bigotry that causes all that frustration.

 

[Kfox]

You're going to need a whole lot more than a movie trailer to show that men are often victims of women. You're also going to have to show what that has to do with the fact that women are so wary of men that many of them would choose to be alone with a bear in the woods over a man.

How about if it's a man that identifies as a woman? Does that all of a sudden make him safe?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

That's very interesting. What I meant is that now it has gone mainstream.

Ah. okay.
It was a shock to me, going from a school that was relatively working class, and about 75% male (it was a trade school) to a uni that was about 90% female (at least, in my part of the campus) and was much more left leaning. To be honest, the campus was more left-leaning than radical, but it was still a shift from the traditional values of my high school, and certainly radical speech was more accepted, if not agreed with.

Caused me to have a few run-ins in classes, where people decided to be political, and I called them out. 18/19 year old me was just getting his confidence, and realised most of the people at Uni weren't as smart as they thought they were...lol

 

[Revoltingest]

No one is suggesting they should be excused. But neither does it excuse the ignorance and bigotry that causes all that frustration.

And neither does ignorance & bigotry resulting from all that frustration.
Will this turtle all the way down?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I was sitting around one day last week wondering what all this bear hype is all about, and then I came across this on a friend's Facebook page, and it became a little clearer to me what this thought experiment is really about (sorry in advance, she didn't provide her source) ....



"There is a question going around the internet, the original question is would you rather have your daughter in the woods with a random unknown man or a random bear. It's been morphed a bit now that it's been shared to would you as a woman rather be in the woods with a random unknown man OR a bear.

Almost without fail, posed this question the answer of the women/mothers have been a bear and it has men feeling some type of way that women almost universally trust a bear more than a strange man. But here are the top 10 reasons women have given for choosing the bear over the man:

10. No one would question me about what I was wearing when the bear attacked me.
9. No one would accuse me of liking the bear attack
8. A bear's motives are easier to understand.
7. A bear won't accuse me of leading them on by being nice to them.
6. I would not be forced to carry the bear's babies to term in 27 states.
5. The bear will either kill me or leave me alone; there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me.
4. Bears do not traffic women.
3. A bear's friends won't come out to say how nice the bear is and how attacking me is ruining is life.
2. No one will question if the bear attack really happened.
1. The bear sees me as a human being.

Here are a few others that are sad but true:

-If I survive the bear attack I will not have to see the bear at family reunions
-A bear would not film it and send it to his friends

Now let's talk. Soooo many males are mad about this. I have seen some comments replying to a woman choosing the bear that make my skin crawl. Most of them give off vibes that tell me they are the reason we choose the bear. When this question was posed to women, 9 out of every 10 chose the bear. We cannot agree about hair colour, makeup or Taylor Swift, but we almost entirely as a gender agree about this.

We understand that the bear may kill us. We understand that there are fates worse than dying. A bear will simply kill or ignore us.

Statistically, women are safer with bears than men. In the last 4 years, seven women were killed by bears and 15 were attacked and survived. Do you want to know the rape/murder statistics for the same time range of men killing/raping women?

We are safer with a bear.

Sorry, not sorry."

It's a pretty ****ty thought experiment, imho. But we absolutely need urgent and transformative action on making the women in our societies safer, feeling safer, and more respected.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

And neither does ignorance & bigotry resulting from all that frustration.
Will this turtle all the way down?

It is always turtles all the way down.