Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable

[Magic Man]

Numerous men are terrified of dating women because of those episodes.

"Numerous" isn't helpful. If you have a percentage, that would be helpful. As it is, I'd guess the percentage is probably under 20%.

Also, women aren't terrified of dating men. They're afraid of men for safety reasons. That's why I've said it's two different things. There's the saying "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them". It's a bit simplistic and generalized, but it gets at the difference I'm referring to.

 

[Stevicus]

The point if "why did she do that?"

I believe she probably did it because of the horrific misandrist propaganda that has been contaminating feminism (which is a serious thing).
Because...I don't think political feminism is being led by heterosexual women, right now.

And unfortunately...the rate of man-hating, angry feminists is very high, right now. Politics has lots to do with it too.

My guess is that the reason she made a false accusation was probably because the consensual encounter was videoed, and she may have been embarrassed or worried that it would circulate. I'm not sure if feminism or propaganda would have influenced the decision to make a false accusation. Since this happened at a Catholic university, it's also possible that she may have been trying to salvage her social standing or reputation, by claiming that she would not voluntarily have had sex with two men in a bathroom at a party. It may not be because of feminism that she did this, but perhaps because of certain attitudes which feminists have traditionally opposed.

I would also note that the victim of the false allegation was a man of color. There was once a time not too long ago when there were white women falsely claiming to be raped by black men, which would then incite a lynch mob. Emmitt Till was lynched just because some white woman claimed he whistled at her. I don't know if that was the motive in this case, but it's something that should be mentioned. However, I would also say that this, too, would have nothing to do with feminism.

Of course, I don't deny that I've seen women who hate men or tend to be angry towards men, though they're not always feminists. Some people are just nasty in general; that's a human trait shared equally by men and women.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But lying about something that didn't happen and ruining someone's reputation is the most wicked thing I can think of.

The most wicked things I can think of are pedophilia, rape and murder. But that's just me.

Dante Alighieri puts liars (those who ruin people with lies) in the 10th bolgia of the 8th circle of Hell. Deeper than the circle of murderers.
There's also Potiphar's wife, the one who accused Joseph of rape.

Worse than murderers? That's absurd to me.

 

[Estro Felino]

My guess is that the reason she made a false accusation was probably because the consensual encounter was videoed, and she may have been embarrassed or worried that it would circulate. I'm not sure if feminism or propaganda would have influenced the decision to make a false accusation. Since this happened at a Catholic university, it's also possible that she may have been trying to salvage her social standing or reputation, by claiming that she would not voluntarily have had sex with two men in a bathroom at a party. It may not be because of feminism that she did this, but perhaps because of certain attitudes which feminists have traditionally opposed.

I would also note that the victim of the false allegation was a man of color. There was once a time not too long ago when there were white women falsely claiming to be raped by black men, which would then incite a lynch mob. Emmitt Till was lynched just because some white woman claimed he whistled at her. I don't know if that was the motive in this case, but it's something that should be mentioned. However, I would also say that this, too, would have nothing to do with feminism.

Of course, I don't deny that I've seen women who hate men or tend to be angry towards men, though they're not always feminists. Some people are just nasty in general; that's a human trait shared equally by men and women.

Thank God there are cameras everywhere. God bless this Orwellian Big Brother, since it exposes liars and deceivers

 

[crossfire]

That's absolutely true. But I was describing what I have observed among American males.
The fact that in the movie Fifty shades of grey, Mr. Grey wanted to make the journalist sign the papers where she attested that the sex was consensual.
We are speaking of James Dornan. James Dornan!!!
For God's sake...
If James Dornan had sex with my daughter, I would pay him to thank him...

Any heterosexual woman would pay...I guess.

Why? I am truly puzzled by this!

 

[Magic Man]

Numerous men are terrified of dating women because of those episodes.

"Numerous" isn't helpful. If you have a percentage, that would be helpful. As it is, I'd guess the percentage is probably under 20%.

Also, women aren't terrified of dating men. They're afraid of men for safety reasons. That's why I've said it's two different things. There's the saying "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them". It's a bit simplistic and generalized, but it gets at the difference I'm referring to.

 

[Magic Man]

That's absolutely true. But I was describing what I have observed among American males.
The fact that in the movie Fifty shades of grey, Mr. Grey wanted to make the journalist sign the papers where she attested that the sex was consensual.
We are speaking of James Dornan. James Dornan!!!
For God's sake...
If James Dornan had sex with my daughter, I would pay him to thank him...

Any heterosexual woman would pay...I guess.

You seem to use fiction to support your views a lot. Fifty Shades of Grey is a fictional movie. What happens in it doesn't represent the real world.

The idea that because you find a man attractive, he couldn't do anything harmful to a girl/woman, is itself harmful. It doesn't matter how attractive you personally find the guy. It doesn't even matter how attractive the victim finds the guy. Women are regularly sexually assaulted by men they find attractive. Finding a man attractive doesn't mean the woman wants to sleep with him or even be intimate with him (at least not in certain contexts).

And the idea that you would pay him for having sex with your daughter is just...wow. No, the vast majority of women would not pay him for that. I'm guessing most women would find that disgusting.

 

[Magic Man]

Thank God there are cameras everywhere. God bless this Orwellian Big Brother, since it exposes liars and deceivers

Cameras can be helpful. I'm glad in a case of a false accusation, there was evidence like this. But I wouldn't then say "God bless Orwellian Big Brother". Also, it's curious that you have such venom for "liars and deceivers" but are making excuses for men's behavior and downplaying it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Cameras can be helpful. I'm glad in a case of a false accusation, there was evidence like this. But I wouldn't then say "God bless Orwellian Big Brother". Also, it's curious that you have such venom for "liars and deceivers" but are making excuses for men's behavior and downplaying it.

I would like to know what you mean by men's behavior to understand how widespread it is.

 

[Magic Man]

I would like to know what you mean by men's behavior to understand how widespread it is.

Mostly the things we've talked about here. Sexually harassing/assaulting women and rape.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course. But when one is using those anecdotes to talk about....

...personal experience of one & one's acquaintances
to illuminate a problem larger than partisans would
portray, this is cromulent.
Clearly, you object to this. But please do so with
honest inferences....not specious ones.

 

[Estro Felino]

Mostly the things we've talked about here. Sexually harassing/assaulting women and rape.

Not widespread. Limited to exceptional cases. Men with issues.
If you mean catcalling...well...it's not a big deal.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's absolutely true. But I was describing what I have observed among American males.

Do you actually observe any US
males? You don't live here.

 

[Magic Man]

...personal experience of one & one's acquaintances
to illuminate a problem larger than partisans would
portray, this is cromulent.
Clearly, you object to this. But please do so with
honest inferences....not specious ones.

You're talking about a topic involving an entire society of hundreds of millions of people and using personal anecdotal evidence. Please use honest inferences, not specious ones.

 

[Revoltingest]

You're talking....

This much is accurate.

 

[Magic Man]

Not widespread. Limited to exceptional cases. Men with issues.
If you mean catcalling...well...it's not a big deal.

1) That's simply wrong. It is widespread. This isn't an opinion. It is a fact that that type of behavior is widespread.

2) Catcalling is one example. Whether or not you think it's a big deal is irrelevant. And this is just another example of you downplaying or dismissing men's bad behavior while focusing your venom exclusively on "liars and deceivers".

 

[Magic Man]

This much is accurate.

So is this: about a topic involving an entire society of hundreds of millions of people and using personal anecdotal evidence.

 

[Revoltingest]

So is...

I skipped the rest.
Post not read-worthy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not widespread. Limited to exceptional cases. Men with issues.
If you mean catcalling...well...it's not a big deal.

I showed you yesterday that it IS widespread.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would like to know what you mean by men's behavior to understand how widespread it is.

I gave you a ton of examples yesterday.