There is nothing in the question regarding being afraid of either men or of bears. That is your assumption that the choice is based on fear or hatred. You have to leave room for pragmatism. (Or do you think women are incapable of being pragmatic?)
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Italian writer against women choosing the bear: hating men has become fashionable
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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I didn't speak of the survey... specifically.
I was speaking of those feminists who affirm that all men are potential rapists.
I responded to your post.
We should note that all women are potential rapists,
murderers, perjurers, thieves, scam artists, child
abusers, conspiracy theorists, Magas, & extended
warranty sellers.
Oddly, that last one is most common with women
in my experience.
And by the way...
this survey was specifically meant to expose how far mainstream feminism has gone.
this survey was specifically meant to expose how far mainstream feminism has gone.
How do you know it's "mainstream" feminism?And by the way...
this survey was specifically meant to expose how far mainstream feminism has gone.
This doesn't seem to afflict any feminists I know IRL.
Well, neither does the survey question.
I don't know those stats. If you have stats for murder and/or sexual assault occurring in the woods, I'll look at them.
Again, that is your assumption. I'm neither misandrist nor paranoid. I've never had anyone question my math skills before, either.
We forgive you...and Putin-lovers.
Oh...that's just me.
I've nothing to add.
One thing that comes to mind while reading this thread is that, very often, men can be wary of other men as well. Men are not a singular collective entity or all part of the same boys' club. A smaller man might have similar misgivings about larger men, similar to what women might have. All men also have memories of being small children and having to stay out of the way of the bigger boys and even the bigger girls and adult women. That's what many learn early in life and may condition them to violence as they grow into adults.
I recall one time I was with my mom. I was around 7 or 8, kind of small and skinny. (I didn't start to sprout until my teens, when I grew to be 6'4", stronger than average, and with reasonable fighting skill. Not Chuck Norris, but I probably could have made short work out of Johnny Lawrence of the Cobra Kai.) However, when I was a little kid and walking with my mom, who was in her mid thirties at the time and attractive to males, there were two young men in a parking lot ogling her, catcalling, and stalking us. My mom acted as if she didn't even see or hear them, perhaps as her way of dealing with the situation. I was somewhat fearful and kept looking back. They stopped pursuing at some point, and my mom and I safely entered the store we were going to. But I was worried. I knew that I could not protect her from two larger men, and she could not protect me either. We were in a vulnerable, scary situation. I realized that I needed to be bigger, stronger, faster, and tougher to be less vulnerable.
I recall one time I was with my mom. I was around 7 or 8, kind of small and skinny. (I didn't start to sprout until my teens, when I grew to be 6'4", stronger than average, and with reasonable fighting skill. Not Chuck Norris, but I probably could have made short work out of Johnny Lawrence of the Cobra Kai.) However, when I was a little kid and walking with my mom, who was in her mid thirties at the time and attractive to males, there were two young men in a parking lot ogling her, catcalling, and stalking us. My mom acted as if she didn't even see or hear them, perhaps as her way of dealing with the situation. I was somewhat fearful and kept looking back. They stopped pursuing at some point, and my mom and I safely entered the store we were going to. But I was worried. I knew that I could not protect her from two larger men, and she could not protect me either. We were in a vulnerable, scary situation. I realized that I needed to be bigger, stronger, faster, and tougher to be less vulnerable.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I've personally had four different men not stop when I've said stop. I daresay I'm not the only woman to experience this and I daresay this may have something to do with this thought experiment.
I provided a list of reasons earlier in the thread. You think those are stupid reasons? ReallY?
Look at what you just did there. I asked you to listen and pay closer attention to what we're trying to say. Us women get the chance to share our fears via this thought experiment, and what we do get in response?
"You're stupid."
"You're a bigot."
"You're a liar."
Cool, thanks for really listening and getting the point.
In an interview from my country, a girl said: I'd rather be mauled by a bear than meeting a random stranger man in the wood.I've personally had four different men not stop when I've said stop. I daresay I'm not the only woman to experience this and I daresay this may have something to do with this thought experiment.
I provided a list of reasons earlier in the thread. You think those are stupid reasons? ReallY?
Look at what you just did there. I asked you to listen and pay closer attention to what we're trying to say. Us women get the chance to share our fears via this thought experiment, and what we do get in response?
"You're stupid."
"You're a bigot."
"You're a liar."
Cool, thanks for really listening and getting the point.
When guys don't honor their partner saying "Stop"
this is typically an intimate situation. I say that it
doesn't apply to a woman who happens upon a
random guy in the woods hiking, hunting, gathering,
or just enjoying nature.
I've had women hit me, defraud me, rob me, &
perpetrate other awful things. Yet I don't worry
about it happening when I meet a female fellow hiker
in the woods. I've also had guys assault me....but
never in the woods.
The most dangerous animal I ever met (Mrs Revolt
was with me) was a bison.....we encountered many
in our path. We were very very careful to avoid them.
And yet.....no bison had ever attacked us before.
Thoughtful judgement is most useful.
So if the male identifies as a woman, you believe he becomes safe?
Maybe the guy saying “no they’re saying it for a stupid reason” knows the women saying this has not had contact with a bear in the forest, and does everything to stay away from bears, but nothing to stay away from men
What about if it were a white woman who had been assaulted by a black man? Would you find it reasonable for her to assume all black men are dangerous? Would you suggest all black men reflect and say “wow I didn’t realize just how bad black men can be, and how often we are?” Or would you accuse her of bigotry.
According to American feminists' definition of "sexual assault" , this girl is sexually assaulting this Swiss Guard.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
This is exactly why I suggested stopping and listening. If you did, you'd realize this misconstruing of the subject is silly. Being wary of men in general because of a lot of bad experiences with them in the course of your life doesn't mean you hate men or want to be a lesbian. It just means you and other women have had a lot of bad experiences with men.I think of neither thing.
I just think that if you really hate men that much...you should go ahead and become lesbian.
Remaining heterosexual and spitting on the plate you eat on...well...sounds hypocritical. Just that.
And when you realize that, you can then shift your blame onto the men for creating those bad experiences, rather than blame women for men's bad behavior, as you're doing here.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
A male doesn't identify as a woman. You're not making sense here. If you're trying to talk about trans women, then do that.
If you'd care to restate this so it makes sense, I'd be happy to engage with it.
It depends on a lot of things. The first thing is that women don't assume all men are dangerous. They just don't assume that every strange man they meet is safe. Second, why only Black men?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Please stop downplaying and minimizing sexual assault.According to American feminists' definition of "sexual assault" , this girl is sexually assaulting this Swiss Guard.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
They do nothing of the kind. What would be preferable is to actually engage with the points being made, rather than lobbying wild accusations. If you take issue with the stats posted, then engage with that. You brought up the point that one of the stats didn't take into account the population sizes involved, which is valid. Stick to that kind of thing.