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It's true; fake news is a problem.

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
That's a myth, because no Western European countries are socialist. They are all Capitalist. And they don't have a higher standard of living. I lived in Germany for 5 years. Most homes (lower and middle class) don't have A.C., dryers, kitchen appliances (dishwashers, stoves, refrigerators). Taxes are insanely high, you can forget about freedom of speech, heck you can get arrested for telling a joke.....

No thanks I'll stick with the good old U.S.

What I question is if socialism is so great how come the people that want it, just move to a socialist country? Go learn the language, move there, and take advantage of, then be apart of the socialism you so much love. Surely they would accept you with open arms. :D
The United States is a great example of a progressive idea that succeeded. Like all such ideas, it moved from being a progressive idea into an establishment to be conserved. Despite the lack of recognition of its historical roots by the group that yells the loudest about saving it.

Of course, the success of one new idea does not mean that all new ideas are going to be equally successful. Historically, major efforts to establish socialism have been susceptible to easy and often quick replacement by authoritarian rule. While this can happen to other forms of government including democracies and republics, it seems to be a major flaw for those that centralize authority in a large, controlling regime.

If social engineers can figure out how to get around that major obstacle, while maintaining individual rights and incentives, they may be able to move it successfully, but I cannot think of how that is possible.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
Wonder why you aren't hearing much about those Muslim kids in Pennsylvania singing about beheading people.
Maybe you have not looked. I got 992,000 hits from Google. Of course, many of those will not be directly relevant, but still the first page had 10 direct hits.

I was not aware of it, but I do not have a TV and it is a fairly recent story.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It was an interesting article on one fake news creator, maybe a very big creator, in the fake news industry.

I found one point most interesting above all. He knows the target demographic where fake news has the biggest impact and makes the most money. The same group that makes mega-millionaire ministers and uses conspiracy theories to make political decisions. This is reflected in the very successful examples that were provided.

It is a shame that these people can be so easily reached with lies, but have completely protected themselves from the objective truth.

Politics aside, Coler is a businessman and fake news is lucrative business. History is full of those that have capitalized on that fact, whether on the left or on the right. What does not seem to change is the group that responds so well and predictably to it no matter what direction it comes from.
Also interesting is that this fake news creator is a Democrat.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It is irrational, but there are some interesting parallels of playing on nationalism, fear and the use of propaganda. Finding targets to demonize is probably easier now than it was 75 years ago.

A good example of one fake news story that did successfully target the left.
One can always find parallels between infamous figures in history
& modern politicians. What's dishonest is the pretence of significance,
& to eschew such parallels with politicians on one's own side.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I know of examples of Fox News creating fake news spread out over the years, but I do not know of any studies that have been conducted and reported. Though, I would be surprised if there are not a few out there.

Didn't they win court approval to be able to report lies or is that an urban myth?
I've found fake news in leftish sources, eg, NPR.
The NYT & Wa Po have done it too.
I'm sure there will be variation in degree.
And the left uses this as a defense for their side....
"They're much worse than we are!"
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Also interesting is that this fake news creator is a Democrat.

Are you sure he and other paid fake news creators are not actually Russian trolls for the Kremlin? What he and others were doing sounded exactly like what the Russians were blamed for.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Maybe you have not looked. I got 992,000 hits from Google. Of course, many of those will not be directly relevant, but still the first page had 10 direct hits.

I was not aware of it, but I do not have a TV and it is a fairly recent story.

CNN and MSNBC seem strangely silent on this so far. On Covington they willfully misrepresented the facts and kept the White Supremacist MAGA hat narrative up for weeks, in the case of the Muslim children in Pennsylvania where they have undeniable proof they are silent.

Imagine if they were White children singing a song about about lynching Jews, African Americans, Muslims and anyone else. How far would the excuse "the song wasn't vetted" go?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Are you sure he and other paid fake news creators are not actually Russian trolls for the Kremlin? What he and others were doing sounded exactly like what the Russians were blamed for.
NPR is my source for identifying him as a Democrat.
(It's in the linked article.)
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Sure let's just pretend like 3 years of Russiagate collusion fake news reporting from CNN and MSNBC didn't happen.

But you know here's a lil video to entertain you while you ignore reality.


You are wilfully confusing an investigation and the real news reporting on that investigation with a belief that Trump actually colluded. In this country an investigation is required before a decision about a crime having occurred beyond a reasonable doubt. CNN and other media outlets reporting the fact that an investigation was really occurring.

Trump used the investigation to whip up his fan base saying he is being treated so unfairly...if he could have just kept his Twitter account under control he would have had half of the press coverage he got. Trump is his own worst enemy. I felt most certain he colluded when he got the most irritated with the investigation.

Now obstruction is looking like it is well substantiated so calling the whole investigation fake news is really stretching credulity. We were all a witness to Trump's efforts to obstruct justice.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Except Fox News has a long, well documented history of distortion and dishonesty. Again, not saying that other networks haven't been guilty of it, but the proportions are measurable and verifiable. Also, a a lot of times when someone squeals "fake news", it's only because it was an unfavorable report rather than something that was actually inaccurate/misleading. It's creepy and disturbing how so many idolize and hero worship Trump as if he were incapable of misdeeds or failure.

Well, I saw the exact same phenomenon in Democrats regarding Clinton and Obama. It's one of the symptoms of partisanship. What I do NOT see, on either side, is any reservations or criticisms whatsoever of their own leaders.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Well, I saw the exact same phenomenon in Democrats regarding Clinton and Obama. It's one of the symptoms of partisanship. What I do NOT see, on either side, is any reservations or criticisms whatsoever of their own leaders.
For the record, while I'm liberal leaning, I'm not a fan of politicians in general. I might see dems as the "lesser evil", but blind loyality is dumb and dangerous.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Bankruptcy doesn't bother True Believers™ .... and True to his Methods, he's on track to bankrupting the USA...

What, exactly are CONservitives .... CONSERVING? THE RICHES OF THE 1%?

The 1%? Oh you mean like Bernie? At least Trump is honest about being a greedy money, loving fool.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Why do you care so much about supporting the 1%, what have they done for you personally??
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Actually? It does the exact opposite: It literally paves the way TO indictment, for other agencies to follow.

Nah, no conspiracy, no obstruction, my cup runneth over with liberal tears.

Because the USA has a culture of rape-apologizers.

It is fueled by hypocritical "christians" among other reasons.

It's not Christian's doing the apologetics for Biden, or B.C.

AND THERE IT IS: THE CULTURE OF RAPE-APOLOGIZERS-- YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

How girl edited Facebook conversation to frame man for rape

FACT CHECK: Was Football Star Brian Banks Wrongfully Convicted of Rape?

'Every district attorney’s nightmare': Two men exonerated in 1991 rape claim

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...about-rape-story-that-sent-man-to-prison/amp/

I don't have enough room to keep posting stories. Type it into Google yourself. There are 100's if not 1,000's of documented cases of women that have weaponized rape by falsely accused men of it to send them to prison.

WOMEN have trivialized rape claims by abusing the system with false claims. Moving to a guilty until proven innocent system will only exacerbate this problem exponentially.

Stormy Daniels--

Was a porn star, well prostitute but that's arguable. She gets paid to have sex. She apparently also breaks non-disclosure agreements, so it's yeah she kinda fooled up there. Super hot though!

BECAUSE ONLY THE GOP IS RACIST ENOUGH AND STUPID ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR HIM.

Well it was the Dems that supported slavery up until Abraham Lincoln the GoP and the Christian Abolitionist worked together to end slavery in the U.S.

Don't give a flying fig what "opera" the Attention Hound, has to say-- don't watch HIGHLY EDITED youtubes.

You should. Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer.
 
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