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A Detailed History of the name
A Detailed History of the name
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Jehovah
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
"And they do not teach any more" is far different from -
"And they shall no longer" - teach - "because."
It is talking about a future event.
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Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
Cheers, that was what I was talking about
Really?
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
I thought it's that we don't know what the vowels should be?
We don't. But ...
The Masoretes ... replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai ("Lord", editor) or Elohim ("God", editor).
is a far different claim than is ...The Masoretes ... supplied the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai ("Lord", editor) or Elohim ("God", editor).
Again, see qere perpetual.
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
Ok they added the vowels not replaced
With intent.
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
but it is not very accurate?
What do you suppose was their intent?
Accuracy is not the issue since the intent had nothing to do with providing the 'proper' pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. Rather, it was to flag the qere of אֲדֹנָי (adonai) or, less often, אֱלֹהִים ('elohim).
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
What does flag the qere of Adonai mean?
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Qere and Ketiv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and more specifically for the Tetragrammaton: Qere and Ketiv: Qere_perpetuum Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
I'm slow
ketiv/qere distinguishes between what is written and what is read. From the previously quoted article ...
I've referenced it a number of times. It doesn't seem to help.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Don't worry about it, you and other members who post this thread remind me of myself in my first Hebrew Bible class when I was 6 year old (in Classical Biblical Hebrew). The teacher explained why we read the name of God as 'Adonai', I must have been spacing out at that point, because it took me two classes of trying to figure out why I'm the only one pronouncing and saying Yahveh or Yehovah aloud while all the other children said 'Adonai'.
I don't mean this with as an offence against members who don't dig what Jay is saying, but simply that you need to understand the Hebrew linguistics, logic and baggage behind the idea. Once you break all the scary terms in the links above, it's quite simple. Lets start from that 'Adonai' is a title of honor used in order to avoid pronouncing God's name casually and out loud. The markers on the Hebrew letters indicate how to pronounce and which word to use (whether Adonai or Elohim for example) instead of simply reading 'Yahweh' or 'Yehovah'.
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Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
So Jehovah was invented to replace adonai? :/
(Don't judge)
(Don't judge)
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
it is a title of honor, but its fairly common as a title...even people are called Adonai in the scriptures.
Sarah called her husband Abraham Adonai, the kings of Israel were addressed in the same manner. But the real question is, if the name shouldnt be pronounced, why did every bible writer think it was ok to use the name in their writings? It would seem the bible writers had a different idea because otherwise they wouldnt have written the name at all....why not just write the word 'adonai' in the first place?
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
no, Adonai (Lord) was intended to replace the name of God where it appeared in the scriptures.
They didnt want the name being sounded out so they replaced it with Adonai.