We're pretty lucky. We own our mobile home and only have to pay rent for the spot and , which is about 1/2 the amount rent would be for an apartment. It isn't a bad place to live. We have it better than some do.
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Jesus and Money
- Thread starter Hexavibrongal
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We're pretty lucky. We own our mobile home and only have to pay rent for the spot and , which is about 1/2 the amount rent would be for an apartment. It isn't a bad place to live. We have it better than some do.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you've got reading to do it seems...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_of_early_Christianity_and_Judaism
in fact i'm more interested in historical accounts then theology...
which is code for excuses
Well, to start with it's important to remember that Christians are just people like we are and prone to the same easy temptations as everyone else. I agree with Jesus that you cannot serve God and mammon. Likewise, I can't follow both the Tao and money. It is better to build your treasures in the heavens, even if I mean the cosmos by it.
If you mean Christians raised in a neoclassical capitalist society, then they're probably conflicted by different cultural conditioning. I don't know that most people who attend Christian churches are in the 1%, but certainly a relatively significant portion of them are well above the international poverty level. Some of the exceptionally wealthy ones are pretty stingy, though. The televangelists and other 'successful' Christian profiteers do like to mark it off as if it's just God blessing them for their evangelical acts, but even maybe a few of them may donate a lot to the poor. It's difficult to know for sure, especially if some of them like to donate significant amounts of money and aid in secret. The Vatican is one glaring exception since if they sold the Vatican, they could probably end world poverty. Jesus wouldn't certainly live in such a place.
It's good to hear that you're attempting to simplify your excessive desires down to the most fundamental for happiness and peace. I also endorse a relatively simple lifestyle and have my own successes and shortcomings so far. Simple living is definitely the most compatible lifestyle with a Christian belief system, as well as many other spiritual systems of thought. In fact, they're almost synonymous.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Took a look....don't care...let's use scripture.....
You do realize history and theology don't always mix.
Take aim at what you are WILLING to believe...spiritually.
oh..that's right...you don't believe.
Theology is for the spirit.
Back to topic now?
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Sorry if this is really getting off topic, but it looks like I need to clear up who I was referring to with "he" in my previous post. I was referring to Cafferty and the article that was posted. (I'm not sure which republicans or what figures you are referring to in your edit.)
The slant of the article was to assert that predominantly Republican states are poorer than predominantly Democratic states and that this was something Republicans were trying to hide, or avoid. I was simply trying to verify whether or not the first point was correct before assuming the second point.
I am cautious about drawing conclusions from statistics, simply because someone cites them as evidence of their position. So, after reading the article I attempted to follow it back to its source. Caffety's article references another article by Roland Martin. Could not locate that one, as it was only described as "a piece" on cnn.com and not specifically named.
So, I went to statistical data myself.
If we are referring to the "wealth" of a state, and using that information to make a political point -- then in only seems logical to consider all factors (or as many as possible) that determine "wealth" and not just pick one. In just looking at the map of median income income by state it is easy to see that many of the predominately democratic states have the highest median income, but they also have the highest debt -- that is, not just the highest taxes, that reduce spendable income -- but the largest carried over liability against the overall "wealth" of its residents after taxes.
I just don't think that the data really means what Cafferty is asserting it means in that article.
Hexavibrongal
Soulmaster
Me too, this entire thread has given me a lot to think about. Thanks to everyone who's contributed so far.
waitasec
Veteran Member
if facts do not concern you
i won't waste your time nor mine....
you know who also thought that?
those who flew into the WTC
not a very persuadable argument as far as i'm concerned
Thief
Rogue Theologian
And this helps the topic.....how?
waitasec
Veteran Member
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Back to topic then?
Prophet
breaking the statutes of my local municipality
Jesus' message to give away all he owned was advice for a specific man. Jesus liked this man very much but saw that he was attached to his wealth.
Now that I think of it, i believe becoming "born again" was advice for a specific man as well.
Now that I think of it, i believe becoming "born again" was advice for a specific man as well.
waitasec
Veteran Member
matthew 6
25 Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?
28 And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe youyou of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, What shall we eat? or What shall we drink? or What shall we wear? 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Hexavibrongal
Soulmaster
That is a common misconception. He does say it to a man, but he also preaches it:
(Luke 12:33-34)
"Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also"
(Luke 14:33)
"No one of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions"
Thief
Rogue Theologian
None of this is topic...unless you want to expand to spiritual discussion?
I sometimes feel like I'm kicking a dead horse.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
sure it is...
See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.
and why would one labor?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
waitasec
Veteran Member
you only have yourself to blame...
waitasec
Veteran Member