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Jesus is God.

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anonymous9887

bible reader
URAVIP2ME said:
Genesis 18:4 is in connection to the 3 materialized angels of verse 2 . They were titled as Lord, Not LORD (YHWH)
Genesis 19:2 is in connection to the 2 materialized angels of verse 1. Not LORD (YHWH) but as Lord's.
Even today we speak of Land Lords, or Land Ladies, and know they are Not God.
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Genesis 18:3 says YHWH if I have favor in your eyes do not pass by your servant
 
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Ben Avraham

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Paul Chavez said:
1. Job 1:6 sons of god. The Gospels nor Jesus nor anywhere in the NT teaches that Jesus is the only true god.
2.Further Revelation is possible by YHWH, how then did we get other books after the Torah?
3. Don't understand.
4. You have to show evidence of this claim. How do we know the author of the Torah existed, how do we know Ezra didn't make it up. What is the criteria you are using to validate the tanakh?
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1 - Jesus was not God at all. First of all, he is dead and second, he was a Jew and a Jew to claim he was God he had first to lose his mind.

2 - Through revelation of HaShem to His servants the Prophets through dreams and visions. (Numbers 12:6)

3 - What you seem not to understand is that sometimes people complain why HaShem does not do this or that and I mentioned that God can do all things but one, the thing you wish He did or should have done.

4 - What I claim is that Ezra collected what he could of fragments from ancient times and brought Torah into light. If you read the Torah with a lot of focusing you will easily see that there is a Scribe speaking about Moses in the third person and not as if he was Moses. Any thing you find in the first person is from fragments.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Ben Avraham said:
1 - Jesus was not God at all. First of all, he is dead and second, he was a Jew and a Jew to claim he was God he had first to lose his mind.

2 - Through revelation of HaShem to His servants the Prophets through dreams and visions. (Numbers 12:6)

3 - What you seem not to understand is that sometimes people complain why HaShem does not do this or that and I mentioned that God can do all things but one, the thing you wish He did or should have done.

4 - What I claim is that Ezra collected what he could of fragments from ancient times and brought Torah into light. If you read the Torah with a lot of focusing you will easily see that there is a Scribe speaking about Moses in the third person and not as if he was Moses. Any thing you find in the first person is from fragments.
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Yes, but how do you know the manuscripts that Ezra copied from are authentic. What is your criteria to Judge that the Torah originally came from Moses. You need to provide your criteria and we can use the same standard to judge the NT if you are consistent.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Paul Chavez said:
The Bible consistently shows that the earth itself will remain forever. It is the system that will be done away with.
Ecclesiastes 1:4
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:10,11,29
Psalm 96:10
Isaiah 45:18
1 chronicles 16:30
Psalm 93:1
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I believe those passages are in error then because we have it straight from God that the earth will come to an end.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Paul Chavez said:
You seem to be more on the side of a oneness Pentecostal than a Trinitarian.
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I believe I attended a service at a United Pentecostal church (oneness Pentecostal) but it seemed to me that people contrived to exhibit qualities that they expected the Holy Spirit would produce. Maybe it was just that local church. The only other place I ran into that was with the Way International because they force people to try to receive the Holy Spirit.

At any rate my beliefs don't seem to fit any denomination so why would I just go to a UP based on one belief?

Also I believe I have read that UP is oneness but I have never read any literature from them.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Muffled said:
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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yes but if we take scripture as a whole he is talking about this system we live in, not the actual earth. There is nothing wrong with the earth. what is wrong is what man chooses to do to the earth.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Muffled said:
I believe those passages are in error then because we have it straight from God that the earth will come to an end.
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I believe since you quote Jesus you should know what He said.

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

So show me the word forever in that passage.
 
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