Now you've really surprised me.There is no proof that any beliefs are true, Christian or Baha'i. If there was proof, they would be facts, not beliefs.
Does that mean you're actually a pro-Bahai agnostic instead of an actual Bahai?
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Now you've really surprised me.There is no proof that any beliefs are true, Christian or Baha'i. If there was proof, they would be facts, not beliefs.
As I just said in a previous post, Baha'u'llah got His knowledge about Jesus from God. He did not get it from the Bible.The same to BahaUllah. He cann't say anything about any Jesus since the only things he knew is what he read in the Christian Writings (the versions he read) ... BahaIUllah is not reliable then.
So what do you think that proves?In the 19th century, like Joseph Smith, Ellen White, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, and so many others.
Baha'u'llah had knowledge of Jesus' teachings from God, who is all-knowing.Why would be that? Did BahaUllah have any private source of knowledge about Jesus' teachings?
I said heard and said Bible.Oh, well, you seem to hear "Christians" when I say "Bible".
There's some error that you need to correct on your way of listening what I say.
I am not telling anyone what to listen to. Everyone has to make their own choices.It sounds like from each word you speak, The New Testament is unreliable, We should just listen to your Holy Scriptures instead!
I am not correcting the Bible...You are not agreeing with the Bible, You are correcting the Bible, Doesn't this make your teachings Anti-Bible?
Of course JWs and Trinitarians are going to agree on many things, but that was not my point.I have a lot of interesting conversations with Trinitarian believers ... and those are very different with respect to a conversation with a Bahai.
Trinitarians don't have any other prophet to hear, so there are many chances they understand what I say.
So I asked youAs I just said in a previous post, Baha'u'llah got His knowledge about Jesus from God. He did not get it from the Bible.
And how was that? Did he hear God's voice or saw a vision like Joseph Smith said he did? Did he talk to an angel? Did an angel give him any secret Scriptures that no one else had?
Anything ... at all? Or you believe so just because he said so and that's it?
That BahaUllah is just another of the bunch, sorry.So what do you think that proves?
He said that.Baha'u'llah had knowledge of Jesus' teachings from God,
Oh, I know God, believe me. I don't need BahaUllah for that.God who is all-knowing.
Again, I can talk with any "Christian" about what the Bible teaches. I do prefer to talk about what the Scriptures say, not about how people interpret them.I said heard and said Bible.
b) Christians twisted what is recorded in the Bible in order to support certain Christian beliefs and doctrines and which the Baha'i Faith teaches are false.
Baha'u'llah did not need to consult anyone because He got His knowledge from God.Do you think there's any non-biblical source about Jesus' teachings that BahaUllah consulted, @Trailblazer ?
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.and the penalty for sin is , death ? (Romans 6:23 )
It seems you think Bahaullah is some kind of God.Baha'u'llah did not need to consult anyone because He got His knowledge from God.
This is the third time I have said that.
not surprised , it was for told it would happenOf course JWs and Trinitarians are going to agree on many things, but that was not my point.
My point was that the JW and the Trinitarian Christian are reading the SAME Bible yet they have contradictory beliefs?
What do you think that means?
No, Muslims reject Bahai Faith because they don't believe that Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of GodMuslims rejected Bahais the same way Catholics called "separated brothers" to Protestants.
Regarding being self proclaimed, I already told you why there is no difference between Baha'u'llah and Jesus.I already told you the difference between BahaUllah and Jesus. You seem to miss some important parts of my posts.
It means that Satan is working hard and we need to work more to help others like Jesus order us in Matthew 28:19,20.Of course JWs and Trinitarians are going to agree on many things, but that was not my point.
My point was that the JW and the Trinitarian Christian are reading the SAME Bible yet they have contradictory beliefs?
What do you think that means?
Jesus was 33 1/2 years old when he was executed on the Jewish Spring month of Nisan in the year 33 C.E. ( common era )Jesus dies at the age of 120 years old?
Jesus also said the good news of God's Kingdom aka government (Daniel 2:44) would be proclaimed internationally at Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8It means that Satan is working hard and we need to work more to help others like Jesus order us in Matthew 28:19,20.
then to be saved would mean to be saved from death. in one form to never die. from another to be resurrected to live again . both yet a future eventRomans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I don't really care, sorry. Bahaullah was a 19th century guy.No, Muslims reject Bahai Faith because they don't believe that Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God
Both Catholics and protestants believe in Jesus so it is not the same way.
I guess you don't mind ... but Jesus was recognized by God himself. His disciples listened God's voice from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him".Regarding being self proclaimed, I already told you why there is no difference between Baha'u'llah and Jesus.
Mark 9:7 And a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud: “This is my Son, the beloved. Listen to him.”Why are you comparing BahaUllah to Jesus if nothing like that happen in his case?
Baha'u'llah heard God speak through the Holy Spirit.And how was that? Did he hear God's voice or saw a vision like Joseph Smith said he did? Did he talk to an angel? Did an angel give him any secret Scriptures that no one else had?
Anything ... at all? Or you believe so just because he said so and that's it?
If it is the figure that God promised to come in the latter days it was not Jesus.Interesting, but the Messiah is a figure that Jehovah promised to come: one of a class.
Angels did not give Baha'u'llah God's messages. God gave them to Him through the Holy Spirit.That is very different than that idea of many prophets, like the ones the Jews had and spoke in God's name. Actually, they talked to angels who gave them God's messages. Did BahaUllah?
No, it does not mean what you said.Now you've really surprised me.
Does that mean you're actually a pro-Bahai agnostic instead of an actual Bahai?
Yes, agree, because the death problem does Not exist in Heaven, No tombstones in Heaven. No body dies in Heaventhen to be saved would mean to be saved from death. in one form to never die. from another to be resurrected to live again . both yet a future event