Jesus is not God

[Soapy]

@learner Daniel gives a good explanation here.

I don’t care about what another poster says… learner Daniel doesn’t know what he’s talking about so what he says can hardly be support for your mistaken claims… My suggestion to you would be to lick your allies more carefully. You already supported an erroneous post from him earlier in this thread which wasn’t even worth responding to…!

I believe you are giving us what you believe is true, but you often mischaracterize your opponent's argument.

Aww… you feel slighted because your misbeluef is pointed out to you… In an infant school, children and teachers are taught not to show up errors in other little children’s thinking as it embarrasses the errant child and makes them timid … or angry! But we are adults!

I also believe you could cut down on this immensely by using the forum's quote feature. It's relatively easy to use

I know more about ‘Quotes’ than you can imagine. Don’t try to teach the teacher!

Not everyone 'sees' the same as you Soapy. It might help if you could point out these 'HUGE' errors by quoting rather than paraphrasing them.

That’s not the point… Everyone must see from GOD’s point of view… but if that is too much then see it from Jesus’ point of view - seeing that Jesus ‘Knows the frailties of humanity’. Paraphrasing I use as I’m writing quickly and copy/pasting is tedious unless I’m in a comfortable location with time on my hands - rarely available… I do copy/paste from Bible Hub (my go-to Bible script system) when I need EXACT quotation… otherwise… But tell me, Do you not know the EXACT or paraphrased of the verse of verses that I give you…. Why not? How are you arguing when you do not know what you are talking about - kneejerking a response???

No, I made no such error. If I had made an error I would simply correct it in a subsequent post.

You don’t make errors??? You don’t lie???
Who on earth says, “I don’t make mistakes”? (Paraphrased)

Again, if you could quote this supposed error it might help.

Ha ha ha… yeah, right!! Keep pretending!!!

I believe the Father is God and I believe Jesus is God. I do not see the error.

That’s what you believe… that’s what YOU are taught to believe. If you believe that YHWH GOD IS ONE [Person] how can YHWH GOD then also be THREE [PERSONS]?

Very good Soapy!

Thank you. I thought you like that!

I do claim a triune God. The topic is whether Jesus, the 2nd person of the triune God, is God, and of course scripture says He is.

When PROVING A POINT you cannot EXCLUDE critical elements of that proof… or are you saying that your [third] almighty one-from/among-three is worthless so you don’t include it?

Oh, let me see:

• ‘I and the Father are one’ (two only)
• ‘I am going to the Father’ (two only)
• ‘Stephen, looking in vision into heaven, saw the glory of God seated on His throne, and Jesus Christ STANDING next to him’ (only two)
• ‘Eternal life depends on them [true believers] believing in you, the only true God, and [believe also in…] Jesus Christ whom you sent’ (only two)
• Jesus Christ was taken up to heaven and ‘seated next to the Father’ (two only)
• Revelation: ‘He who sat on the throne …and Jesus Christ seeming like a lamb slaughtered standing in front and centre of the throne’ (only two)
• … more? Easily found!

The Father is God, and the Spirit is God, but this thread is specifically about Jesus.

Aha…. Bad excuse… if the three ARE ONE ALMIGHTY GOD you cannot decide to DISRESPECT your third ‘God-person’ and relegate it to oblivion in terms of inclusion.
The reason you don’t include the Spirit of God is exactly because the Spirit of God is NOT ALMIGHTY GOD - it is THE SPIRIT that is OF GOD… God’s Spirit… just as it’s stated! Just as SPIRIT OF OESTE is OESTE’S SPIRIT… not ANOTHER PERSON!!

If only you had been around at the time. Surely you would have convinced him otherwise!

As for those other verses (Jesus raising the dead or walking on water), I don't recall using them to support Trinity doctrine.

Ha ha ha…. No! Of course … I didn’t say that YOU SAID IT… I said that TRINITARIANS claim it as a proof… In any case, every trinitarian DENIES what every trinitarian claims when the trinitarian in focus realises the nonesense that every other trinitarians claims… yeah, go figure!!!

 

[Oeste]

I don’t care about what another poster says…

Then why should anyone care what you say?

learner Daniel doesn’t know what he’s talking about so what he says can hardly be support for your mistaken claims…

You post more nonsense without a basis.

If you have a problem with anything @learner Daniel has posted, then please quote the portion that he posted and your reasoned argument against it.

Lacking that, your post consists of vitriol and nothing more.

My suggestion to you would be to lick your allies more carefully.

I'll take a pass on that suggestion Soapy. After all, your prior suggestion what that we shouldn't care what anyone says, which of course would include your suggestion here.

You already supported an erroneous post from him earlier in this thread which wasn’t even worth responding to…!

I have no idea what "erroneous post" you are talking about and you are unable to articulate it. Considering that learner David did not make an erroneous post, I'll simply take another pass.

Please move on Soapy.

I know more about ‘Quotes’ than you can imagine.

I haven't imagined this at all, so that shouldn't be too difficult.

Don’t try to teach the teacher!

Okay.

You don’t make errors???

It may seem like that to you, but that would only be an error on your part.

That’s what you believe… that’s what YOU are taught to believe. If you believe that YHWH GOD IS ONE [Person] how can YHWH GOD then also be THREE [PERSONS]?

God is triune. You are triune (body, soul, spirit). Our observable reality is triune (space, time, matter). (Yahweh is not triune, He is spirit. A Yahweh God in 3 persons is Modalism and has nothing to do with the Trinity.

I recommended a good book on the Trinity to Jerry Myers and I recommend the same to you. There are plenty of them out there, just make sure it's from a reputable, peered review source.

Oeste said:
The Father is God, and the Spirit is God, but this thread is specifically about Jesus.

Aha…. Bad excuse… if the three ARE ONE ALMIGHTY GOD you cannot decide to DISRESPECT your third ‘God-person’ and relegate it to oblivion in terms of inclusion.

What on earth gives you the idea the Spirit has been 'relegated to oblivion'???

The thread theme claims "Jesus is not God" and not "The Holy Spirit is not God". If it were about the Spirit, we would talk more about the Spirit, but that is NOT thread theme.

When you cannot follow thread theme it gives the reader little confidence that you can follow scripture @Soapy. If the OP wanted to include the Spirit, he/she would have included it. I did not write the OP, and if you cannot understand something as basic as that, I see little need for continued discussion.

 

[Oeste]

Oh that’s interesting… so it is actually OESTE who is the ‘Strawman’, pretending that I AM the ‘strawman’!

Thank you, learner Daniel… you made my day!!!

No Soapy, neither of us are strawmen.

Please read the post from @learner Daniel again.

It is the DISTORTED VERSION of a poster's PREMISE or ARGUMENT that becomes the strawman. A DISTORTED VERSION of a poster's argument is always easier to support or knock down. The poster is never the strawman.

This may be disappointing, and I'm sorry if it unmakes your day. The important thing to remember on the forums is that while it's fine and dandy to attack a poster's argument it's not okay to attack the poster. This is a rule enforced by the moderators.

Thus, ad-hominems are prohibited.

 

[learner Daniel]

Yes, God Almighty is not coming back because He NEVER left!
God Almighty is always with us just as He said in Rev. 1:8 – He is ETERNAL! Alpha and Omega, He is the Almighty as who He is now, as who He was in the past, and as who He will come/be in the future.

Jesus is the one who left, and he will come back as how he left – a man, NOT God (never is, never was).

The text clearly says will come that is Jesus , not the father.

 

[learner Daniel]

learner Daniel, to whom have you addressed your post?

everyone

 

[learner Daniel]

I don’t care about what another poster says… learner Daniel doesn’t know what he’s talking about so what he says can hardly be support for your mistaken claims… My suggestion to you would be to lick your allies more carefully. You already supported an erroneous post from him earlier in this thread which wasn’t even worth responding to…!

Aww… you feel slighted because your misbeluef is pointed out to you… In an infant school, children and teachers are taught not to show up errors in other little children’s thinking as it embarrasses the errant child and makes them timid … or angry! But we are adults!

I know more about ‘Quotes’ than you can imagine. Don’t try to teach the teacher!

That’s not the point… Everyone must see from GOD’s point of view… but if that is too much then see it from Jesus’ point of view - seeing that Jesus ‘Knows the frailties of humanity’. Paraphrasing I use as I’m writing quickly and copy/pasting is tedious unless I’m in a comfortable location with time on my hands - rarely available… I do copy/paste from Bible Hub (my go-to Bible script system) when I need EXACT quotation… otherwise… But tell me, Do you not know the EXACT or paraphrased of the verse of verses that I give you…. Why not? How are you arguing when you do not know what you are talking about - kneejerking a response???

You don’t make errors??? You don’t lie???
Who on earth says, “I don’t make mistakes”? (Paraphrased)

Ha ha ha… yeah, right!! Keep pretending!!!

That’s what you believe… that’s what YOU are taught to believe. If you believe that YHWH GOD IS ONE [Person] how can YHWH GOD then also be THREE [PERSONS]?

Thank you. I thought you like that!

When PROVING A POINT you cannot EXCLUDE critical elements of that proof… or are you saying that your [third] almighty one-from/among-three is worthless so you don’t include it?

Oh, let me see:

• ‘I and the Father are one’ (two only)
• ‘I am going to the Father’ (two only)
• ‘Stephen, looking in vision into heaven, saw the glory of God seated on His throne, and Jesus Christ STANDING next to him’ (only two)
• ‘Eternal life depends on them [true believers] believing in you, the only true God, and [believe also in…] Jesus Christ whom you sent’ (only two)
• Jesus Christ was taken up to heaven and ‘seated next to the Father’ (two only)
• Revelation: ‘He who sat on the throne …and Jesus Christ seeming like a lamb slaughtered standing in front and centre of the throne’ (only two)
• … more? Easily found!

Aha…. Bad excuse… if the three ARE ONE ALMIGHTY GOD you cannot decide to DISRESPECT your third ‘God-person’ and relegate it to oblivion in terms of inclusion.
The reason you don’t include the Spirit of God is exactly because the Spirit of God is NOT ALMIGHTY GOD - it is THE SPIRIT that is OF GOD… God’s Spirit… just as it’s stated! Just as SPIRIT OF OESTE is OESTE’S SPIRIT… not ANOTHER PERSON!!



Ha ha ha…. No! Of course … I didn’t say that YOU SAID IT… I said that TRINITARIANS claim it as a proof… In any case, every trinitarian DENIES what every trinitarian claims when the trinitarian in focus realises the nonesense that every other trinitarians claims… yeah, go figure!!!

I am tired most of the time

 

[learner Daniel]

I don’t care about what another poster says… learner Daniel doesn’t know what he’s talking about so what he says can hardly be support for your mistaken claims… My suggestion to you would be to lick your allies more carefully. You already supported an erroneous post from him earlier in this thread which wasn’t even worth responding to…!

Aww… you feel slighted because your misbeluef is pointed out to you… In an infant school, children and teachers are taught not to show up errors in other little children’s thinking as it embarrasses the errant child and makes them timid … or angry! But we are adults!

I know more about ‘Quotes’ than you can imagine. Don’t try to teach the teacher!

That’s not the point… Everyone must see from GOD’s point of view… but if that is too much then see it from Jesus’ point of view - seeing that Jesus ‘Knows the frailties of humanity’. Paraphrasing I use as I’m writing quickly and copy/pasting is tedious unless I’m in a comfortable location with time on my hands - rarely available… I do copy/paste from Bible Hub (my go-to Bible script system) when I need EXACT quotation… otherwise… But tell me, Do you not know the EXACT or paraphrased of the verse of verses that I give you…. Why not? How are you arguing when you do not know what you are talking about - kneejerking a response???

You don’t make errors??? You don’t lie???
Who on earth says, “I don’t make mistakes”? (Paraphrased)

Ha ha ha… yeah, right!! Keep pretending!!!

That’s what you believe… that’s what YOU are taught to believe. If you believe that YHWH GOD IS ONE [Person] how can YHWH GOD then also be THREE [PERSONS]?

Thank you. I thought you like that!

When PROVING A POINT you cannot EXCLUDE critical elements of that proof… or are you saying that your [third] almighty one-from/among-three is worthless so you don’t include it?

Oh, let me see:

• ‘I and the Father are one’ (two only)
• ‘I am going to the Father’ (two only)
• ‘Stephen, looking in vision into heaven, saw the glory of God seated on His throne, and Jesus Christ STANDING next to him’ (only two)
• ‘Eternal life depends on them [true believers] believing in you, the only true God, and [believe also in…] Jesus Christ whom you sent’ (only two)
• Jesus Christ was taken up to heaven and ‘seated next to the Father’ (two only)
• Revelation: ‘He who sat on the throne …and Jesus Christ seeming like a lamb slaughtered standing in front and centre of the throne’ (only two)
• … more? Easily found!

Aha…. Bad excuse… if the three ARE ONE ALMIGHTY GOD you cannot decide to DISRESPECT your third ‘God-person’ and relegate it to oblivion in terms of inclusion.
The reason you don’t include the Spirit of God is exactly because the Spirit of God is NOT ALMIGHTY GOD - it is THE SPIRIT that is OF GOD… God’s Spirit… just as it’s stated! Just as SPIRIT OF OESTE is OESTE’S SPIRIT… not ANOTHER PERSON!!



Ha ha ha…. No! Of course … I didn’t say that YOU SAID IT… I said that TRINITARIANS claim it as a proof… In any case, every trinitarian DENIES what every trinitarian claims when the trinitarian in focus realises the nonesense that every other trinitarians claims… yeah, go figure!!!

I never heard walking on water proves Jesus is G_d. Here are examples:

The third significant point is that Jesus proved Himself to be in command of the elements, something only God can do. He revealed this truth to the disciples who recognized His divinity and responded with a confession of faith in Jesus as God: “The wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:32–33). This was the first time Jesus was called the Son of God by the disciples, a statement that, in fact, built on what they had said earlier about Him in Matthew 8:27: “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him.” Here they answer their own question: “Truly you are the Son of God.”

What was the meaning of Jesus walking on water? | GotQuestions.org

What was the meaning of Jesus walking on water? Did Jesus really walk on the water?

www.gotquestions.org

Did Jesus Claim to Be God? Walking on Water (Mark 6:45-51) – Grace Evangelical Society

faithalone.org

 

[learner Daniel]

Then why should anyone care what you say?


You post more nonsense without a basis.

If you have a problem with anything @learner Daniel has posted, then please quote the portion that he posted and your reasoned argument against it.

Lacking that, your post consists of vitriol and nothing more.


I'll take a pass on that suggestion Soapy. After all, your prior suggestion what that we shouldn't care what anyone says, which of course would include your suggestion here.

I have no idea what "erroneous post" you are talking about and you are unable to articulate it. Considering that learner David did not make an erroneous post, I'll simply take another pass.

Please move on Soapy.


I haven't imagined this at all, so that shouldn't be too difficult.



Okay.


It may seem like that to you, but that would only be an error on your part.



God is triune. You are triune (body, soul, spirit). Our observable reality is triune (space, time, matter). (Yahweh is not triune, He is spirit. A Yahweh God in 3 persons is Modalism and has nothing to do with the Trinity.

I recommended a good book on the Trinity to Jerry Myers and I recommend the same to you. There are plenty of them out there, just make sure it's from a reputable, peered review source.

Oeste said:
The Father is God, and the Spirit is God, but this thread is specifically about Jesus.

What on earth gives you the idea the Spirit has been 'relegated to oblivion'???

The thread theme claims "Jesus is not God" and not "The Holy Spirit is not God". If it were about the Spirit, we would talk more about the Spirit, but that is NOT thread theme.

When you cannot follow thread theme it gives the reader little confidence that you can follow scripture @Soapy. If the OP wanted to include the Spirit, he/she would have included it. I did not write the OP, and if you cannot understand something as basic as that, I see little need for continued discussion.

How does quotes work? Brother

 

[learner Daniel]

wife is kicking me off

 

[JerryMyers]

The text clearly says will come that is Jesus , not the father.

You are NOT seeing clearly.
Let’s put that passage you posted again –
Revelation 1:8
Darby Translation
“8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”.

Can you see ‘saith [the] Lord God’ in the passage??

Maybe if we place ‘saith [the] Lord God’ at the beginning, you can see better -
‘Saith [the] Lord God, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, He who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”.

Rev. 8:1 is about God Almighty, NOT Jesus.

‘He who is, who was, and who to come’ is a reference to the present, the past, and the future.

It’s the same as an MMA Champion fighter claiming, “I am the best, he who is, who was, and who is to come, the Greatest!

Here's the thing - in the scripture, the ‘Lord God’ is always a reference to God Almighty, NEVER to Jesus, or to anyone else.

 

[JerryMyers]

wife is kicking me off

Again???!

 

[Dimi95]

Dimi95 said:
Yes , it is.
Again , JerryMyers does not decide that.

And… let me guess, Dimi95 decide that???! What a joker!!

Dimi knows a lot more then you.
Dimi has seen the evidence , traveled to biblical lands and spend a lot of time studying all of this.
Dimi has studied ancient language since he was a kid.
Dimi is not limited with English as most of you here are.

So i have better base to talk about this things then you do.

You are not debating here , you are preaching

I will not answer anymore of your claims , since they are baseless.

I am not the Christian that will just 'close his eyes' and continue like nothing happend.

 

[learner Daniel]

You are NOT seeing clearly.
Let’s put that passage you posted again –
Revelation 1:8
Darby Translation
“8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”.

Can you see ‘saith [the] Lord God’ in the passage??

Maybe if we place ‘saith [the] Lord God’ at the beginning, you can see better -
‘Saith [the] Lord God, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, He who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”.

Rev. 8:1 is about God Almighty, NOT Jesus.

‘He who is, who was, and who to come’ is a reference to the present, the past, and the future.

It’s the same as an MMA Champion fighter claiming, “I am the best, he who is, who was, and who is to come, the Greatest!

Here's the thing - in the scripture, the ‘Lord God’ is always a reference to God Almighty, NEVER to Jesus, or to anyone else.

Dud, Jesus is Lord and God

John 20:28
Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

 

[learner Daniel]

You are NOT seeing clearly.
Let’s put that passage you posted again –
Revelation 1:8
Darby Translation
“8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”.

Can you see ‘saith [the] Lord God’ in the passage??

Maybe if we place ‘saith [the] Lord God’ at the beginning, you can see better -
‘Saith [the] Lord God, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, He who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty”.

Rev. 8:1 is about God Almighty, NOT Jesus.

‘He who is, who was, and who to come’ is a reference to the present, the past, and the future.

It’s the same as an MMA Champion fighter claiming, “I am the best, he who is, who was, and who is to come, the Greatest!

Here's the thing - in the scripture, the ‘Lord God’ is always a reference to God Almighty, NEVER to Jesus, or to anyone else.

And Jesus is the one coming at the second coming not the Father

Acts 2:38-40

Easy-to-Read Version

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38 Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise is for you. It is also for your children and for the people who are far away. It is for everyone the Lord our God calls to himself.”
40 Peter warned them with many other words; he begged them, “Save yourselves from the evil of the people who live now!”

Revelation 1
Easy-to-Read Version
John Tells About This Book
1 This is a revelation[a] from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen soon. And Christ sent his angel to show it to his servant John, 2 who has told everything he saw. It is the truth that Jesus Christ told him; it is the message from God. 3 Great blessings belong to the person who reads the words of this message from God and to those who hear this message and do what is written in it. There is not much time left.

John Writes to the Churches
4 From John,

To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is coming; and from the seven spirits before his throne; 5 and from Jesus Christ. Jesus is the faithful witness. He is first among all who will be raised from death. He is the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Jesus is the one who loves us and has made us free from our sins with his blood sacrifice. 6 He made us his kingdom and priests who serve God his Father. To Jesus be glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

7 Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds! Everyone will see him, even those who pierced him. All peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen.

8 The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.[c] I am the one who is, who always was, and who is coming. I am the All-Powerful.”

9 I am John, your fellow believer. We are together in Jesus, and we share these things: suffering, the kingdom, and patient endurance. I was on the island of Patmos[d] because I was faithful to God’s message and to the truth of Jesus. 10 On the Lord’s Day, the Spirit took control of me. I heard a loud voice behind me that sounded like a trumpet. 11 It said, “Write down in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

1. Revelation 21:6
   The one on the throne said to me, “It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give free water from the spring of thewater of life to anyone who is thirsty.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Revelation 22:13
   I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and theEnd.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
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4. Revelation 22:16
   “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.”
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6. Revelation 22:10-17
   
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   10 Then the angel told me, “Don’t keep secret the words of prophecy in this book. The time is near for these things to happen. 11 Let anyone who is doing wrong continue to do wrong. Let anyone who is unclean continue to be unclean. Let anyone who is doing right continue to do right. Let anyone who is holy continue to be holy.”
   12 “Listen, I am coming soon! I will bring rewards with me. I will repay everyone for what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega,[a] the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
   14 “Great blessings belong to those who have washed their robes. They will have the right to eat the food from the tree of life. They can go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside the city are all those who live like dogs—those who do evil magic, those who sin sexually, those who murder, those who worship idols, and those who love to lie and pretend to be good.
   16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.”
   17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Everyone who hears this should also say, “Come!” All who are thirsty may come; they can have the water of life as a free gift if they want it.

 

[learner Daniel]

Aside: I dream the other day, that I had a time machine. So, Christians can travel back to hear Jesus and Paul in person.

 

[GoodAttention]

Aside: I dream the other day, that I had a time machine. So, Christians can travel back to hear Jesus and Paul in person.

You would need to learn Aramaic, Greek, and probably Hebrew and Latin first.

 

[JerryMyers]

Dimi knows a lot more then you.
Dimi has seen the evidence , traveled to biblical lands and spend a lot of time studying all of this.
Dimi has studied ancient language since he was a kid.
Dimi is not limited with English as most of you here are.

So i have better base to talk about this things then you do.

Self-praised is no praise, buddy!

Funny, you said you know more than me, yet you didn’t know the scripture preaches against self-praised.
“Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth; an outsider, and not your own lips” – Proverbs 27:2

You are not debating here , you are preaching.
I will not answer anymore of your claims , since they are baseless.

I doubt you know the difference between ‘debating’ and ‘preaching’, and I don’t make ‘baseless claims’, buddy. All my comments are mostly, if not all, based on the context of the scripture. You can prove me wrong if you want to.

I am not the Christian that will just 'close his eyes' and continue like nothing happend.

I don’t how’s that possible as your eyes were NEVER ‘open’ to begin with!

 

[JerryMyers]

Dud, Jesus is Lord and God

John 20:28
Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!”

No, Jesus is NOT Lord and God. He’s only ‘L/lord’, NOT God.

Thomas’ ‘My Lord and my God!’ is an exclamation of shock and disbelief to see his beloved rabbi (who the Jews refer to as ‘Lord’) standing in front of him unharmed and alive. There’s no reason to believe Thomas was calling Jesus his God. Just last month, I met an old friend whom I had not seen for the last 10-15 years, and my reaction upon seeing him was “Stevie, it’s really you…. and my God!!”. Was I calling my friend, Stevie literally, my God?? Obviously, not!!

After all, it would not make any sense, after many years of living and walking with Jesus, only Thomas saw Jesus as God while none of the other disciples saw Jesus as God.

You want to show me from the scripture where the other disciples of Jesus called him ‘Lord and God’ too???

 

[JerryMyers]

And Jesus is the one coming at the second coming not the Father

Acts 2:38-40​

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Easy-to-Read Version​

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38 Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise is for you. It is also for your children and for the people who are far away. It is for everyone the Lord our God calls to himself.”
40 Peter warned them with many other words; he begged them, “Save yourselves from the evil of the people who live now!”

Revelation 1
Easy-to-Read Version
John Tells About This Book
1 This is a revelation[a] from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen soon. And Christ sent his angel to show it to his servant John, 2 who has told everything he saw. It is the truth that Jesus Christ told him; it is the message from God. 3 Great blessings belong to the person who reads the words of this message from God and to those who hear this message and do what is written in it. There is not much time left.

John Writes to the Churches
4 From John,

To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is coming; and from the seven spirits before his throne; 5 and from Jesus Christ. Jesus is the faithful witness. He is first among all who will be raised from death. He is the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Jesus is the one who loves us and has made us free from our sins with his blood sacrifice. 6 He made us his kingdom and priests who serve God his Father. To Jesus be glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

7 Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds! Everyone will see him, even those who pierced him. All peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen.

8 The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.[c] I am the one who is, who always was, and who is coming. I am the All-Powerful.”

9 I am John, your fellow believer. We are together in Jesus, and we share these things: suffering, the kingdom, and patient endurance. I was on the island of Patmos[d] because I was faithful to God’s message and to the truth of Jesus. 10 On the Lord’s Day, the Spirit took control of me. I heard a loud voice behind me that sounded like a trumpet. 11 It said, “Write down in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

1. Revelation 21:6
   The one on the throne said to me, “It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give free water from the spring of thewater of life to anyone who is thirsty.
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2. Revelation 22:13
   I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and theEnd.
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4. Revelation 22:16
   “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.”
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6. Revelation 22:10-17
   
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   10 Then the angel told me, “Don’t keep secret the words of prophecy in this book. The time is near for these things to happen. 11 Let anyone who is doing wrong continue to do wrong. Let anyone who is unclean continue to be unclean. Let anyone who is doing right continue to do right. Let anyone who is holy continue to be holy.”
   12 “Listen, I am coming soon! I will bring rewards with me. I will repay everyone for what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega,[a] the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
   14 “Great blessings belong to those who have washed their robes. They will have the right to eat the food from the tree of life. They can go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside the city are all those who live like dogs—those who do evil magic, those who sin sexually, those who murder, those who worship idols, and those who love to lie and pretend to be good.
   16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.”
   17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Everyone who hears this should also say, “Come!” All who are thirsty may come; they can have the water of life as a free gift if they want it.

I have already told you, yes, God Almighty is NOT coming back because He NEVER LEFT, and yes Jesus is coming for the second time and he’s coming back the same way he left – as a man, or if you prefer, the son of man, but definitely, NOT as God because Jesus NEVER is, NEVER was GOD!

As for all those passages you quoted above, do you want to explain them and state your points instead of just quoting?? Anyone can 'copy and paste' verses.

 

[JerryMyers]

Aside: I dream the other day, that I had a time machine. So, Christians can travel back to hear Jesus and Paul in person.

I wish you do have a time machine so you can travel back to hear from the mouth of Jesus himself denying he’s ever God! The scripture already narrated the story of Jesus' denial of claiming to be God, but you don’t believe him, but instead you believe the Jews who claimed Jesus had claimed to be God! You sure you follow Jesus??