Jesus Resurrection

[Subduction Zone]

It's the literal truth that the Godless would have everyone believe is no more than a legend.

What makes you think that part of the Bible is true? There is no reliable evidence for it. It is an example of twisted morals. And of course there are the other countless fails in the Bible.

 

[The Anointed]

I tend to not pay too much attention to the.mythical parts of the Bible. And cherry picking the book of John is not a good debating technique. You should try to learn why biblical scholars say it was not the apostle John. It was written too late to be by John, and it was written in Koine Greek. The apostle John almost certainly did not write in that language. You would need to present evidence he did. Most out the date of its being written at 90-110 CE. That would have been well past his time. Only rather desperate sources claim that John wrote it.

Subduction Zone wrote……. I tend to not pay too much attention to the.mythical parts of the Bible.

The Anointed……. There are no mythical parts to the bible my friend, and anyone who thinks that the Nativity stories were written to make it appear that Jesus was born in JERUSALEM as you have done, reveals to everyone that you don’t tend to pay too much attention to anything that is recorded in the scriptures.

Subduction Zone wrote……. And cherry picking the book of John is not a good debating technique. You should try to learn why biblical scholars say it was not the apostle John. It was written too late to be by John, and it was written in Koine Greek.

The Anointed…….. Then I must be one of those biblical scholars that you refer to, as it was I who revealed to you where it is shown in the Gospel of John that he did not actually write the gospel, but that it was written by others from the memoirs that John had recorded,

Subduction Zone wrote……. The apostle John almost certainly did not write in that language.

The Anointed…….. ALMOST_CERTAINLY. Now there’s an oxymoron if ever there was one

Subduction Zone wrote……. You would need to present evidence he did. Most out the date of its being written at 90-110 CE. That would have been well past his time. Only rather desperate sources claim that John wrote it. Subduction Zone Jesus resurrection.

The Anointed…….. I have already presented biblical evidence that John did not personally write ‘The Gospel of John,’ but that it was written by others from the written memoirs that were left by John the beloved. So let me here repeat the biblical evidence that John did not write the Gospel attributed to him, John 21: 24; “He is the disciple who spoke of these things, the one who also wrote them down, and we [The authors of the Gospel of John] know that what he said is true.”

Not only do you tend to not pay too much attention to the Bible, you also tend to not pay too much attention to the post that you are responding to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Subduction Zone wrote……. I tend to not pay too much attention to the.mythical parts of the Bible.

The Anointed……. There are no mythical parts to the bible my friend, and anyone who thinks that the Nativity stories were written to make it appear that Jesus was born in JERUSALEM as you have done, reveals to everyone that you don’t tend to pay too much attention to anything that is recorded in the scriptures.

Subduction Zone wrote……. And cherry picking the book of John is not a good debating technique. You should try to learn why biblical scholars say it was not the apostle John. It was written too late to be by John, and it was written in Koine Greek.

The Anointed…….. Then I must be one of those biblical scholars that you refer to, as it was I who revealed to you where it is shown in the Gospel of John that he did not actually write the gospel, but that it was written by others from the memoirs that John had recorded,

Subduction Zone wrote……. The apostle John almost certainly did not write in that language.

The Anointed…….. ALMOST_CERTAINLY. Now there’s an oxymoron if ever there was one

Subduction Zone wrote……. You would need to present evidence he did. Most out the date of its being written at 90-110 CE. That would have been well past his time. Only rather desperate sources claim that John wrote it. Subduction Zone Jesus resurrection.

The Anointed…….. I have already presented biblical evidence that John did not personally write ‘The Gospel of John,’ but that it was written by others from the written memoirs that were left by John the beloved. So let me here repeat the biblical evidence that John did not write the Gospel attributed to him, John 21: 24; “He is the disciple who spoke of these things, the one who also wrote them down, and we [The authors of the Gospel of John] know that what he said is true.”

Not only do you tend to not pay too much attention to the Bible, you also tend to not pay too much attention to the post that you are responding to.

Fine, i made a small mistake typing late at night.

Now can you be honest? Do you not know that the Bible is loaded with myths? That is has bad science and worse morals? If Christianity has a positive message it has one in spite of the downfalls of the Bible.

 

[Jollybear]

Yeppers, Paul was loony.

He seamed pretty sane to me. Passionate, but sane.

Not only that his story varied a bit. In Acts 22 9 the story was the other way around. The men with him heard the voice but did not see the light.

Thats incorrect. His companions DID see the light.

"My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me." Acts 22:9.

So, they heard the voice and saw the light, but did not understand the voice and did not see any figure.

"The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone." Acts 9:7

He often thought he knew better than those that actually knew Jesus. He was the only one that made the bogus 500 people claim. And unlike Paul I am not loopier than a box of Toucan Sam's favorite cereal. So of being course I am not willing to die for my Elvis beliefs.

Calling paul loony is weak. I simply dont buy it. Passionate, yes, loony, nope. He appears coherent and reasonable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He seamed pretty sane to me. Passionate, but sane.



Thats incorrect. His companions DID see the light.

"My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me." Acts 22:9.

So, they heard the voice and saw the light, but did not understand the voice and did not see any figure.

"The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone." Acts 9:7



Calling paul loony is weak. I simply dont buy it. Passionate, yes, loony, nope. He appears coherent and reasonable.

Sorry, but he is clearly a loon. And reinterpreting verses after the fact is not proper.

 

[Jollybear]

"Kelly of the Phoenix, post: 5787113, member: 58387"An arrogant troll who wanted to have as much street cred as Jesus and would do anything to promote himself.

So peter delebarately puts himself in harms way for a known lie too, just like paul?

He didn't witness it. So, yeah, he's a false witness.

So, he puts himself in harms way for this known lie? Heres a bunch of verses showing what he went through. 14 Bible verses about Persecution Of The Apostle Paul

Heres one id like to quote here. 2 corinthians 11:24

" I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?"

Yes, people go blind if they stare at the sun for too long.

I take it this is sarcasm and not a serious rebuttal? Atleast id hope.

Note he doesn't stick around in Jerusalem, but heads out into the backwoods, so to speak, to make churches FAR from the apostles. Also, he didn't feel he SHOULD be persecuted, or he wouldn't advertise his Roman citizenship, and remember being Hellenized was about the worst thing you could be in many Jewish circles, to try to get out of it.

This is false. They wer suppose to spread the "gospel" message. To do that they needed to value there lives and try to stay alive. Plus, it wasnt about dying for the message, it was about the message itself and living it. Dying for it just gave ot credability. Which it DID THAT.

The Romans were about to do a large crackdown on Jews. He didn't want to be a Jew anymore. Simple as pie.

The romans did a big crack down on christians, of which paul was one. Weak argument.

Or, as I said, Rome was about to do nasty things to Jews and like many Jews, decided Judaism wasn't worth their funerals.

So, they thought being christians was worth there funerals then huh? Lol, weak. Are you even being serious?

He tried to get out of it. Why bring up Roman citizenship, which conferred certain rights, if he just wanted to die for his beliefs?

He didnt want to die, he wanted to stay alive in order to keep spreading the message, but he refused to recant under pressure, thus giving his claims credability.

 

[Jollybear]

Sorry, but he is clearly a loon. And reinterpreting verses after the fact is not proper.

I showed you the verse where his companions saw the light. Your incorrect.

And he "clearly" is not a loone to me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I showed you the verse where his companions saw the light. Your incorrect.

And he "clearly" is not a loone to me.

Yes, but you reinterpreted the did not hear to did not understand. And once again, this is Paul's unconfirmed claim. Exactly the same as my claim about Elvis. If one wants one's belief to have credibility one goes outside of the group for that.

If you can't see that he is a loon it does not speak well of you. He was not that different from the constant barrage of end of the world cults that we see today. Many people are mentally ill and wish for an end to come. He thought that people should not have sex because the end of the world was near.

 

[Jollybear]

Buttom line is this. NO ONE is loony enough to die for a known lie. I dont believe ANYONE, literally anyone would be that loony.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Buttom line is this. NO ONE is loony enough to die for a known lie. I dont believe ANYONE, literally anyone would be that loony.

Jim Jones says that you are wrong.

 

[Jollybear]

Yes, but you reinterpreted the did not hear to did not understand.

False. I quoted them verbatum. You rebutted nothing.

And once again, this is Paul's unconfirmed claim. Exactly the same as my claim about Elvis.

Your not being persecuted for your elvis claim. Sorry.

If one wants one's belief to have credibility one goes outside of the group for that.

Refusing to recant under pressure of death does indeed give a claim to witness credability, yes it does.

If you can't see that he is a loon it does not speak well of you.

If you cant see hes not a loon it does not speak well of you.

He was not that different from the constant barrage of end of the world cults that we see today.

Yea, he was different. He was a witness and he converted to the very faith he persecuted.

Many people are mentally ill and wish for an end to come. He thought that people should not have sex because the end of the world was near.

He never said that.

 

[Jollybear]

Jim Jones says that you are wrong.

Jim jones was not a witness.

 

[Subduction Zone]

False. I quoted them verbatum. You rebutted nothing.



Your not being persecuted for your elvis claim. Sorry.



Refusing to recant under pressure of death does indeed give a claim to witness credability, yes it does.



If you cant see hes not a loon it does not speak well of you.



Yea, he was different. He was a witness and he converted to the very faith he persecuted.



He never said that.

Let's not be rude. If you did not understand you should ask questions. Excessive breaking up a post is an improper tactic. It is a method of quote mining which is usually a form of lying.

Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jim jones was not a witness.

Which puts him in the exact same position as Paul. Thank you for making my point.

 

[Jollybear]

Let's not be rude. If you did not understand you should ask questions. Excessive breaking up a post is an improper tactic. It is a method of quote mining which is usually a form of lying.

Try again.

A form of lying huh? Thats incredable.

But, ok.....ill ask you a question. How was paul a loon?

 

[Jollybear]

Which puts him in the exact same position as Paul. Thank you for making my point.

So, paul was lying or was he a loon?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A form of lying huh? Thats incredable.

But, ok.....ill ask you a question. How was paul a loon?

Please pay attention. I already explained this. He thought that the end of the world was coming so. He thought this so much that advocated against sex even between husband and wife:

“The time is short (sustello – to draw together, hence, to wrap up), from now on it would be wise for those who have wives to be as if they had them not.” – 1 Cor. 7:29

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, paul was lying or was he a loon?

Hard to say. He was definitely a loon so he may not have been lying. He may have believed the nonsense that he spewed.

 

[Jollybear]

Please pay attention. I already explained this. He thought that the end of the world was coming so. He thought this so much that advocated against sex even between husband and wife:

“The time is short (sustello – to draw together, hence, to wrap up), from now on it would be wise for those who have wives to be as if they had them not.” – 1 Cor. 7:29

Go ahead and quote him in context. Go on.

 

[Jollybear]

Hard to say. He was definitely a loon so he may not have been lying. He may have believed the nonsense that he spewed.

If i made up a lying story, i CANT believe it. That makes no sense.