Jesus - Son of Adam?

[nPeace]

sorry, physical Adam technically did not have a father, that what it supposed to say.

Um, technically he did.
See. It all depends on the angle you look.
I know what you mean though, but I think it best to say he did not have a physical father.
If I said, he did not have a biological father, someone might argue, 'But he did. Are you saying God is not the greatest biologist?'
So you can't win with the 'technical'. It's technical.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The fact is we die and there must be a reason. Theologically speaking. So we must be guilty. God's not unjust. The OT scriptures indicate that all people are under great darkness which is also called the "shadow of death". Which gets into why Jesus is called the "Light of Life" but I digress.

Psalm 51:5 seems to indicate that people are born in sin. Other scriptures have a similar outlook.

Entropy, not magic.

 

[nPeace]

Because they never were.

At any rate, where is the doctrine of inherited damnation for Adam's sin found in the OT?

Hmmmm.
Why should it be specifically stated, I asked. You didn't answer, so am I correct in assuming that you would agree, there is no valid reason it should be?

They were supposed to have offspring. God knew this. He had no reason to tell them every detail about their sin.
For example, he did not tell them that they would become wrinkly and feeble, before they died.

(Genesis 3:20) After this Adam named his wife Eve, because she was to become the mother of everyone living.
(Genesis 4:1) Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant.. . .

All of what was needed to be known at that time was revealed, and later, important details about the Messiah, were revealed to those who would benefit from that information
Those who read it as it is written, come away with an understanding of the clearly revealed message.
It's not expected that one should pick up the Bible and read every detail they want to see.

Does it not seem obvious that would come from a mind of a skeptic perhaps looking for something to be critical of?

 

[nPeace]

Entropy, not magic.

Cells repair themselves.
Scientists can't figure out why there is an apparent "death timer".
You also probably heard of the immortal... is it octopus? I don't recall.
No magic needed.

 

[nPeace]

Genesis 3:15 sums up the Bible. Adam is the serpent, and the father of the wicked. Jesus is his "one seed". Adam was the Tree of (carnal) Knowledge and the serpent was part of his anatomy. The true Messiah is the second and one seed of Eve. The name means "life" or "living" and Eve was the Tree of Life, she is the mother of the righteous. In the next generation, Cain succeeded Adam, and Abel succeeded Eve. Abel was replaced by Seth. Genesis 4:25. Eve is blamed for the sin of the world. Isaiah 53:6. "...and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all". Adam is responsible for all the sin in the world.

Adam is the serpent!!!!!!???
Um............................... No.
Which apocryphal book did you read that from, or is this your own idea?

 

[susanblange]

Adam is the serpent!!!!!!???
Um............................... No.
Which apocryphal book did you read that from, or is this your own idea?

The story of A&E in the Garden of Eden is a parable and it is not meant to be taken literally. What happened was reenacted by the Messiah and Adam Ribdick around the beginning of 1984. Only this time Adam died by hanging himself, along with Matthew and Luke. They were fraternity brothers at ATO from ODU. A&E will be the parable at the Messiah's trial. Psalm 49:4, Psalm 78:2. This is my own personal belief. Most of my theology and doctrine is original.

 

[nPeace]

The story of A&E in the Garden of Eden is a parable and it is not meant to be taken literally. What happened was reenacted by the Messiah and Adam Ribdick around the beginning of 1984. Only this time Adam died by hanging himself, along with Matthew and Luke. They were fraternity brothers at ATO from ODU. A&E will be the parable at the Messiah's trial. Psalm 49:4, Psalm 78:2. This is my own personal belief. Most of my theology and doctrine is original.

You know it's parable? Did you write it? Then why am I not right in saying you are twisting the text into a huge morass?
It seems the only thing left for one who does this, is to write their own Bible.
Isn't Satan happy with that.

 

[nPeace]

@susanblange look at it this way. If you can take Adam and say he is the serpent, he is the tree, then Adam can be anything you want him to be. He can be the fruit too. Why, he can even be God himself.
So when God spoke to Adam, Eve, and the serpent, Adam was talking to Adam.

 

[leov]

Um, technically he did.
See. It all depends on the angle you look.
I know what you mean though, but I think it best to say he did not have a physical father.
If I said, he did not have a biological father, someone might argue, 'But he did. Are you saying God is not the greatest biologist?'
So you can't win with the 'technical'. It's technical.

Eve was separated from Adam. Before that Adam named animals as he was looking for physical body to settle in. I guess he liked animal cal!ed man. That is what Nachmanides said.

 

[nPeace]

Eve was separated from Adam. Before that Adam named animals as he was looking for physical body to settle in. I guess he liked animal cal!ed man. That is what Nachmanides said.

Eve did not exist.
Adam had a physical body on creation (Genesis 2:7), before being settled in the garden (Genesis 2:15).

 

[74x12]

Entropy, not magic.

Just because some things in theology are --currently-- hard or even impossible to explain by natural means; that doesn't mean they are impossible/inexplicable in context of God. Also calling it magic is not accurate either. Magic is ritualistic behavior supposed to cause some kind of supernatural occurrences; usually for the benefit of the user or harm of their enemies.

 

[leov]

Eve did not exist.
Adam had a physical body on creation (Genesis 2:7), before being settled in the garden (Genesis 2:15).

Genesis 2 is metaphoric. it is not history. Human spirit fell into physical body ( the fall) .

 

[74x12]

Genesis 2 is metaphoric. it is not history. Human spirit fell into physical body ( the fall) .

According to Kabbalah? I wouldn't put much stock in it myself ...

 

[leov]

According to Kabbalah? I wouldn't put much stock in it myself ...

in my years of learning i would start looking for Kabbalistic opinion first, After all they are the closest thing to original school.

 

[nPeace]

Genesis 2 is metaphoric. it is not history. Human spirit fell into physical body ( the fall) .

Whom should I believe... the Bible, or... user name leov (God knows who is behind that name)?
No offense. I believe the Bible... not leov (who could be the Devil's advocate, for all I know).
Genesis 2:4

 

[nPeace]

in my years of learning i would start looking for Kabbalistic opinion first, After all they are the closest thing to original school.

You follow Kabbalist?
Okay. That clinches it!

 

[leov]

Whom should I believe... the Bible, or... user name leov (God knows who is behind that name)?
No offense. I believe the Bible... not leov (who could be the Devil's advocate, for all I know).
Genesis 2:4

believe yourself, the way you understand it is correct especially if you know you understand it and your questions are answered.

 

[leov]

You follow Kabbalist?
Okay. That clinches it!

i do not follow K. i respect its knowledge, if i knew original language i would have...

 

[nPeace]

believe yourself, the way you understand it is correct especially if you know you understand it and your questions are answered.

Thanks.
I think the Bible is not so complicated, until one tries to interpret every line as something other than what they read.
In my opinion, that is no different to saying, the Bible is written in code, and each person has a different key to unlock it.
No. To me,the Bible can be understood by everyone willing to listen.
That's why I especially like Jesus' words at Matthew 13:11-16.

What's the difference between Kabbalist, and modern scholars, in your opinion?

 

[nPeace]

i do not follow K. i respect its knowledge, if i knew original language i would have...

Oh. Okay. Sorry.