godnotgod
Thou art That
The Syriac crackerjac from Iraq was a religious maniac who loved hackeysac and Crackerjax?:run:
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Jesus: The Missing Years in the East
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The Syriac crackerjac from Iraq was a religious maniac who loved hackeysac and Crackerjax?:run:
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angellous_evangellous
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The lost Gospel of Sponge Bob Square Pants.
godnotgod
Thou art That
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angellous_evangellous
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The answer to this question is the same as all other questions: Chicken Nuggets.
godnotgod
Thou art That
As I said, there is no smoking gun, but we need to look at everything that points to this idea all together, to see if it adds up.\
Certainly that Jesus remained in Nazareth, a town for which we have zero evidence, for some 18 years WITHOUT A SINGLE PEEP is virtually impossible, just as there was not a single peep about the Resurrection and Ascension until Paul adds a footnote to it some 40 years later. What these two vacuums point to is that the stories are contrived.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
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angellous_evangellous
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Sure it is. There is no reason to expect the Gospels to cover times in Jesus's life that are insignificant to their story. How were they supposed to know that 2,000 years later people would be interested in Jesus's non-eventual adolescent years.
There's so little early material about Jesus and it's so disputed that I'm glad there's not more. We have just enough to confuse us, and I think that if we had more, we would actually know less. It would be a more difficult puzzle to put together, a wider variety of people who reconstruct Jesus with partial misunderstandings of a few texts, those who demand all the texts, and everything in between.
And can you imagine -- each of these texts would have hundreds of years of layering, and everyone disagrees about which copy has more authority -- not to say anything of all of the interpretive, historical, and translation issues.
And after all of that work, we're still no closer to the historical Jesus than if we made up our own story.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Did the other residents of Nazareth know that Jesus, now living amongst them for some 18 years, was God in the flesh? Or even that he had been born of a virgin?
outhouse
Atheistically
There are no missing years in the east.
Nada, zip. Only modern fabrications, imagination, wish and want.
Historically hypothesis like these would be laughed at in any academic circles. Right up there with the bermuda triangle, and unicorns.
If unicorns don't exist, then where do unicorn horns come from, hmm?
Shermana
Heretic
Both of those ideas are likely later interpolations.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Ah, NOW you're talkin'! Why, it was 1st Century Nazareth's 'Best Kept Secret', of course!...uh....along with the fact that 'Nazarenes' (LOL) were keeping the lid on God living amongst them and pretending to be a humble carpenter for 18 years! (and unicorn hunter by night). Shhhhhh!
godnotgod
Thou art That
However, Micah predicted his birth in Bethlehem years before. Certainly the word spread around that The Messiah was to be walking amongst them. Certainly the shepherd boy and the 3 Kings spread the news far and wide.* If nothing else, the elders who were amazed at the 12 year old's teachings in the Synagogue spread the news around Nazareth that a very wise person was amongst them.
Or was that also an interpolation?
And was the Annunciation an interpolation as well?
How about the notion of a 1st Century Nazareth, since no mention of one had been made before?
Or the doctrines of redemption via blood sacrifice, bodily resurrection, and virgin birth superimposed over the teachings of the Essene Yeshu?
*Luke 2 makes it clear that the shepherds (there were more than one, it turns out) DID spread the news:
Luke 2
New International Version (NIV)
The Birth of Jesus
2 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while[a] Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register.
4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.
8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”
16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17 When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.
21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
But there are 18 missing years, aren't there?
Nada, zip. Only modern fabrications, imagination, wish and want.
Historically hypothesis like these would be laughed at in any academic circles. Right up there with the bermuda triangle, and unicorns
roger1440
I do stuff
"Bart D. Ehrman, a Bible scholar and historian famous for his best sellers, says that "Today there is not a single recognized scholar on the planet who has any doubts about the matter. The entire story was invented by Notovitch, who earned a good deal of money and a substantial amount of notoriety for his hoax."[7]"
Nicolas Notovitch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
roger1440
I do stuff
Simple, from critters who have two horns and only one horn at a time is found.
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angellous_evangellous
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Probably not.
No one know that Jesus was God in the flesh until about 400 years later. The Gospels do indicate that some people knew of the scandal of his birth, but that really doesn't mean anything.