Jesus: The Missing Years in the East

[godnotgod]

Here with a loaf of bread beneath the bough,
A flask of wine, a book of verse ---- and Thou,
beside me singing in the wilderness-----
and wilderness is Paradise enow.....

Omar Khayyam.

Very nice! Thank you!

(Now let's add a pond...and....suddenly, and without warning....pondfrogleapsplash.....)

 

[crossfire]

How can you be sceptical about nothing?

I can certainly be skeptical about any claims.

 

[BruceDLimber]

If unicorns don't exist, then where do unicorn horns come from, hmm?

They're pure superstition with the sole exception of a few goats that were surgically modified to have a single horn growing from the center of their foreheads (by removing one horn and surgically moving the other one); these were then used as circus "attractions."

End of story.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Is Jesus the 'Word', ie, the Logos?

Frozen oatmeal cream tarts.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Interesting, - here is my translation of this.

1 Within the First Estate/Principle exists the (incantation)/Divine command/Computation/law, and the Divine command/Computation/law exists within the Divinity, and the Divinity exists as the Divine command/Computation/law.
2 The same, exists within the First Estate/Principle (as) within the Divinity.
3 All through It came into being; and separate from its existence not one came to being.
4 Within itself life(spark) existed; and the life(spark) existed to manifest/illuminate the Anthropos/human being.
5 And the Illumination within the darkness appeared and the darkness itself did not comprehend.



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This isn't a translation. It's an interpretation.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Nah! Much to convoluted and complicated. It's much simpler than all that....and fun, too!

How about a little bit of...

'Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields forever'
John Lennon

I saw a man pursuing the horizon;
Round and round they sped.
I was disturbed at this;
I accosted the man.
"It is futile," I said,
"You can never-"
"You lie," he cried,
And ran on.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Here with a loaf of bread beneath the bough,
A flask of wine, a book of verse ---- and Thou,
beside me singing in the wilderness-----
and wilderness is Paradise enow.....

Omar Khayyam.

Weave a circle 'round him thrice
And close your eyes with holy dread
For he on honeydew hath fed
And drunk the milk of paradise

I hated Omar Khayyam for one simple reason. Every morning my father would wake me up to go to school (and I hated school) by flinging wide my curtains at an ungodly hour saying,
"Awake! For morning in the bowl of night
Has flung the stones which puts the stars to flight
And lo the hunter in the East has caught the sultan's turret
in a noose of light"

So I associate the man with being awakened when I wanted to sleep just to go some place I hated.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

This isn't a translation. It's an interpretation.

It's an over-interpretation.

 

[godnotgod]

Frozen oatmeal cream tarts.

"I am the Way, the Life, and the Frozen Oatmeal Cream Tart. Eat, Drink, and Be Merry, for tomorrow ye die!"

 

[godnotgod]

I can certainly be skeptical about any claims.

No claims, just pure, unadulterated Nuttin' Honey!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

"I am the Way, the Life, and the Frozen Oatmeal Cream Tart. Eat, Drink, and Be Merry, for tomorrow ye die!"

I'm delighted that you're starting to make sense.

 

[Shermana]

Well that would be a much tastier Eucharist.

 

[Ingledsva]

Is it Serious?

Are you asking if the translation is serious?

Yes.

Logos is not a single "word," it means a series of words said with reason, thought, purpose, motive, a computation of Divine expression, - from which we are told "ALL" come, = A Divine incantation (of law) into existence.


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[LegionOnomaMoi]

Logos is not a single "word," it means a series of words

All words are polysemous. They're still words. Look in a dictionary- you'll find that every word is defined by other words.

 

[Ingledsva]

This isn't a translation. It's an interpretation.

The only thing which - perhaps - could be taken as interpretation - is the word "incantation."

However we know they practiced magic, and the words associated with "logos," especially in these verses, could easily be thought of as an "incantation" of Divine Law into Being.


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[LegionOnomaMoi]

The only thing which - perhaps - could be taken as interpretation - is the word "incantation."

A translation is a mapping of meaning from one language into another. Can you read ancient Greek?

 

[Ingledsva]

Logos is not a single "word," it means a series of words said with reason, thought, purpose, motive, a computation of Divine expression, - from which we are told "ALL" come, = A Divine incantation (of law) into existence.

All words are polysemous. They're still words. Look in a dictionary- you'll find that every word is defined by other words.

Well of course they are.

However you know that isn't what I meant.

If they were trying to say what Christianity implies the meaning is, they would have likely used lexis.


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[LegionOnomaMoi]

However you know that isn't what I mean.

Which is why I said it is an interpretation. When you are trying to say what something means the way you are, it's an interpretation, not a translation.

 

[Ingledsva]

Which is why I said it is an interpretation. When you are trying to say what something means the way you are, it's an interpretation, not a translation.

You are taking that out of context.

Logos does not mean what Christianity implies it does.

You know as well as I do that to the Greeks logos was an animating principle of the cosmos - with thought out reason, and direction.


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[LegionOnomaMoi]

You are taking that out of context.

Logos does not mean what Christianity implies it does.

Christianity is not a language. Logos is a Greek word. When you translate it, you are taking the Greek context in which it exists and rendering it in another language. You didn't do this. You didn't translate anything. You interpreted.