Real Sorceror
Pirate Hunter
The actions of Christians cannot be blaimed on Christ. Jesus never told anyone to commit genocide.darkpenguin said:
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jesus was a magician!
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darkpenguin
Charismatic Enigma
im not insulting jesus, or budah, im just saying he was a magician, maybe he was wise although all he did was pass on his beliefs, that does not make a wise man. and personaly with the view i take on the bible and the fiction within it, he was the result of alot of chinese whispers and the end product being, an urban legend!
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Really? Can you show us how to transmute water into a fermented fruit drink? Or healing a severe illness with just a hypnosis? And walking on water is hard, even as a staged trick.
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
darkpenguin said:
A suggestion from your friendly neighborhood Admin:
Your antagonistic approach will not convince anyone of your opinions and will not be tolerated. Be nice. Show others respect here and respect will be shown to you. Have a nice day.
Real Sorceror
Pirate Hunter
I think you are taking this way too far and seriously underestimating the value of a sacred text.darkpenguin said:
darkpenguin
Charismatic Enigma
but the text isnt for me to value though as it has no meaning to me! and to admin i am not antagonising i am just voicing my opinion which i have every right to do as does everybody else in these forums! just because i dont agree with something does not mean i am antagoninsing, i am debating! thats what forums are for arnt they???
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
darkpenguin said:
No, you're being rude. There's a difference. We all have differing opinions and manage to debate and discuss amongst each other every day in a (more or less) civil manner. Please respect the atmosphere of civility and mutual respect that we value here at RF. Thank you.
darkpenguin
Charismatic Enigma
so your taking away my freedom of speach? well thats not very civil now is it?
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
No, I'm asking you to be nice and abide by the rules and the spirit of the forum. If you have questions about that, please feel free to Private Message me or any other member of the staff.darkpenguin said:
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
darkpenguin said:
To be fair, this is technically private internet property as the owner of the forum pays to keep this space open for us. As such he can set whatever rules he likes for it, and he also has the right to remove you for refusing to follow said rules.
Real Sorceror
Pirate Hunter
So you don't hold anything sacred? I respect the sacred ground, text, and artifacts of religions that I don't even believe in. Its insulting to someone to defile, verbally or otherwise, someone's sacred stuff.darkpenguin said:
Can you at least respect the text for it's major historic value?
Peace said:
Sadly, as hard as I try to believe what you so whole-heartedly express, I fail to answer the question; If GOD is capable of everything, then, why, do young innocent children around this majestic world suffer and face hunger on a daily basis, why is it that hatred between the worlds religions result in such death and destruction?
Perhaps, my friend, we need to change the way we view GOD and examine humans instead.
Concerning the Topic, and what was posted, I have but this to say; walking on water was great, but in the long run, what did it actually accomplish?
-CappA
Quoth The Raven
Half Arsed Muse
Here we go...I think you forgot the bit where you exclaim with great fervour,'Never again the Burning Times!' (*insert angora rabbit here*)darkpenguin said:
Unless you, yourself have been tied to a post and burnt by a Christian, I think you're taking this a little personally. They used to crucify Christians in Japan, but you don't see them carrying on about that.
Build a bridge mate...I'll bet the people that were actually burnt aren't spending their time in the Summerlands stewing over it. Why are you wasting so much energy on a persecution complex?
Super Universe
Defender of God
CAPPA said:
Why do children suffer? Because human adults are not caring for them. If we truly wished it we could end worldwide hunger in a month.
If you wish to blame God for why our children suffer then think of it this way. Have you ever done anything wrong? Why did God not eliminate you instantly just after you did it?
What did walking on water accomplish? It got Him to where He wanted to be.
After spending time reading the bible and praying , I am now convinced that Jesus was a real historical person who performed genuine miracles. To say that Jesus was a magician is merely an assumption, unless darkpenguin can actually demonstrate how he rose from the dead after being buried for 3 days, turning water into wine, walking on water, raising the dead, replacing a severed ear, healing lepers, making the blind see, etc.. I would love for him to show me how these were actually done, because if he can, than he would easily put copperfield, blaine, and criss angel to shame.
, I am now convinced that Jesus was a real historical person who performed genuine miracles. To say that Jesus was a magician is merely an assumption, unless darkpenguin can actually demonstrate how he rose from the dead after being buried for 3 days, turning water into wine, walking on water, raising the dead, replacing a severed ear, healing lepers, making the blind see, etc.. I would love for him to show me how these were actually done, because if he can, than he would easily put copperfield, blaine, and criss angel to shame.Super Universe,Super Universe said:
Yes, your right, humans are to blame, but then, what is god responsible for? Are we not the children of god? So if we were to abandon the children (as you say), and god allows that, then by some inference, can it be said that god can abandon us? I mean if god were to let humans decide what happens to children, then say what else does god "allow" or "disallow" see my point was that people blame/praise god for events with out a shred of logical proof.
Walking on water in those days would have been the same as if someone did it today. A way to fill the seats... Humanity was not saved, humans as a whole were not safer, danger and evil still lurked, hence my pervious statement.
Thanks for you response.
- CappA
Super Universe
Defender of God
What is God responsible for? Uhh, He is responsible for giving your individual soul the free will to experience a third dimensional material existence. Something that it cannot get anywhere else.
We are the children of God and truly nothing can harm us. What man can steal your soul?
Don't look at the universe and wonder why it is not helping you, look up at it and hope for when you can go and help it.
God never abandons us, we may choose everlasting individuality instead of the path to heaven.
Jesus walked on water by making his body less dense than the water. It was not magic and even you can do it, but the trick is that you have to remember how.
We are the children of God and truly nothing can harm us. What man can steal your soul?
Don't look at the universe and wonder why it is not helping you, look up at it and hope for when you can go and help it.
God never abandons us, we may choose everlasting individuality instead of the path to heaven.
Jesus walked on water by making his body less dense than the water. It was not magic and even you can do it, but the trick is that you have to remember how.
[FONT="]Just like to point out one thing (in case you didn't catch it), if we are the children of god, then therefore, the children of ours is also children of god, and if he allows us to abandon them, he in turn abandons as well..... (Hopefully I wrote that right!Super Universe said:
) Ok, enough said, - I will spend the next few days 'remembering' how to walk on water by making my body less dense!
- CappA[/FONT]
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
I like the trick where He rose from the dead. For darkpenguin, he may have just been a magician, for me, He is everything, my only hope in this world. I have not reached that conclusion by 'blind faith', or 'checking my brain at the door'. I hope we can be more respectful of each other, whether we believe Jesus was a lunatic, liar, magician, or Lord. The greatness of His character would reflect that He is Lord, to me. Peace.