Jesus

[may]

Jesus is God. Therefore, no comparison as to relative importance can be drawn here.

John 3;16-17
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him........................it seems the bible says otherwise.
"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17.
(Luke 9:35) And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him."

(Matthew 17:5) While he was yet speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and, look! a voice out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him."
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(Luke 3:22) and the holy spirit in bodily shape like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: "You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you."............................it seems that the bible teaches that Jesus is Gods son and he is not God after all.stick to the bible and we cant go wrong

 

[sojourner]

John 3;16-17
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him........................it seems the bible says otherwise.
"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17.
(Luke 9:35) And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him."

(Matthew 17:5) While he was yet speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and, look! a voice out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him."
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(Luke 3:22) and the holy spirit in bodily shape like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: "You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you."............................it seems that the bible teaches that Jesus is Gods son and he is not God after all.stick to the bible and we cant go wrong

I didn't say that Jesus is the Father. Obviously, Jesus is the Son. Just as obvious, the Son is not the Father...except maybe in Arkansas...Together with the Holy Spirit, these three comprise the three separate persons of the Trinity. Three separate persons, one inseparable Being. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Since the Son is God, as the Father is God, your statement is a non-argument.

 

[may]

the Son is God, quote] Jesus never taught that ,its not in the bible ,Jesus said he was Gods son dont be misled by manmade doctrines such as the trinity .

 

[Jonathan Rex]

Psalms 82
"I have said, 'Ye are gods, all of you are children of the Most High."

Ooops

"The Kingdom of God does not come with your careful observations. No one will say to you, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' for the Kingdom of God is within you." - Jesus


Well, that solves that riddle. How can Jesus be the Only Begotten Son if we are all Children of the Most High?

 

[Jonathan Rex]

It is amusing how Christians will abandon the words of Jesus and trade them in for words said about Jesus.

Jesus said: "Worship God"
Paul said: "Worship Jesus"
Christians say: "Jesus is God"

Wonderful logic

 

[James the Persian]

It is amusing how Christians will abandon the words of Jesus and trade them in for words said about Jesus.

Jesus said: "Worship God"

And accepted worship due only to God

Paul said: "Worship Jesus"

And that Christ was God, as did John.

Christians say: "Jesus is God"

Wonderful logic

I'd say the logic is just fine, but it looks as though you could stand becoming more familiar not just with Scripture but the teachings and beliefs of those that produced it.

James

 

[sojourner]

the Son is God, quote] Jesus never taught that ,its not in the bible ,Jesus said he was Gods son dont be misled by manmade doctrines such as the trinity .

Of course it's in the Bible. John says that the Word was with God and the Word was God, and, further, that the Word became flesh. Additionally, John says that John the Baptist identified the Word as Jesus of Nazareth. Further on, John says that "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Obviously, John speaks of Jesus. It's in the Bible. And since we are claiming that the "apostles speak Christ's word to us in the Bible," Jesus clearly did (using your own criterion) teach it.

 

[sojourner]

How can Jesus be the Only Begotten Son if we are all Children of the Most High?

Because Jesus was begotten of God. We are made by God.

 

[wizanda]

John from what I can tell is John Nicodemus, it quotes more stuff about private Pharisee conversations, then anyone else would have known about at the time or after.
It also relates 3/4 references where a man by the name of Nicodemus approached Yeshua from the high council; that would have only been to his knowledge…
So we have gospel called John, then we look in Acts soon after Yeshua death and we have a member of the high council called John…..mmm
John + Nicodemus (Nicolaitans is form of Nicholas also) makes gospel of John…

The disciple John is clearly the gospel of Mark (John –Mark)

So when or where does anyone who proclaims lies in their testimony (destroying of the temple recorded in Matthew and Mark as false), can it then be held as truth?
It can’t so John is false and made up in a lot of places, taken from hear say of what the Pharisee/high council collected; yet since it is to discredit Yeshua/Christ then really how can it be quoted as if scripture?

 

[sojourner]

John from what I can tell is John Nicodemus, it quotes more stuff about private Pharisee conversations, then anyone else would have known about at the time or after.
It also relates 3/4 references where a man by the name of Nicodemus approached Yeshua from the high council; that would have only been to his knowledge…
So we have gospel called John, then we look in Acts soon after Yeshua death and we have a member of the high council called John…..mmm
John + Nicodemus (Nicolaitans is form of Nicholas also) makes gospel of John…

The disciple John is clearly the gospel of Mark (John –Mark)

So when or where does anyone who proclaims lies in their testimony (destroying of the temple recorded in Matthew and Mark as false), can it then be held as truth?
It can’t so John is false and made up in a lot of places, taken from hear say of what the Pharisee/high council collected; yet since it is to discredit Yeshua/Christ then really how can it be quoted as if scripture?

Problem is, we don't know for sure who any of the gospel authors were, so any conclusions drawn from these assumptions are, themselves, assumptions.

 

[may]

Of course it's in the Bible. John says that the Word was with God and the Word was God, and, further, that the Word became flesh. Additionally, John says that John the Baptist identified the Word as Jesus of Nazareth. Further on, John says that "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Obviously, John speaks of Jesus. It's in the Bible. And since we are claiming that the "apostles speak Christ's word to us in the Bible," Jesus clearly did (using your own criterion) teach it.

yes the word (jesus) was with God in his pre-human state in the heavens , and yes Jesus did come to earth and was born out of a woman (mary) and John the baptist did recognize who Jesus was , and yes no one has seen God , he is a spirit in heaven. but Jesus was taught by his father Jehovah. and Jehovah said to listen to Jesus .

 

[sojourner]

yes the word (jesus) was with God in his pre-human state in the heavens , and yes Jesus did come to earth and was born out of a woman (mary) and John the baptist did recognize who Jesus was , and yes no one has seen God , he is a spirit in heaven. but Jesus was taught by his father Jehovah. and Jehovah said to listen to Jesus .

Your statement doesn't address my point.

 

[Jonathan Rex]

And accepted worship due only to God

"Why do you call me good? None is good but the Father who is in Heaven." - Yeshua

"Not my will, but thy will be done." - Yeshua

Can God be divided against himself? God cannot have two wills if God is One. If God is two then God is not One and only two can have two individual wills.

"A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand." - Yeshua

"It is written, 'Ye are gods.' If the Father calls you gods, and the word cannot be broken, why then do you have a problem with me saying that I am a son of God?" - Yeshua

"Love the LORD your God, the LORD is One." - Yeshua

And that Christ was God, as did John.

Paul never met Yeshua (unless you accept his own testimony)
"No man can testify on his behalf, otherwise his testimony is not valid." - Yeshua

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The Word was with God in the Beginning. Through the Word all things were made. Without the Word nothing was made that has been made. In the Word was the light and that light was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness but the darkness does not understand it." - John

If Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) descended upon Yeshua, then how can Yeshua be the Ruach HaKodesh prior to that moment of baptism? The Spirit cannot descend upon the Spirit. God cannot be tempted. Yeshua was tempted by Satan. Satan cannot tempt God. God can be tested ("Do not put the Lord your God to the test." - Yeshua) but being tempted requires one to consider something. God could never consider worshipping Satan. That is impossible. Yeshua was NOT God.

Show me one verse where Yeshua said that he was God. Just one.
"I come from the Father and the Father is in me, I and the Father are One." - Yeshua

This does NOT mean that Yeshua was God. If a woman is one with her husband, is she her husband? No. She is one with her husband because she does the will of her husband. Yeshua was one with God because he did the will of God. He was not God.
He was a man.

"When you see the one not born of a woman, bow down to him." - Yeshua

Yeshua was born of a woman.
Case closed.

I'd say the logic is just fine, but it looks as though you could stand becoming more familiar not just with Scripture but the teachings and beliefs of those that produced it.

Or the other way around.
Paul is not an authority.
Paul was not chosen by Yeshua.
Paul chose himself.

The disciple John did not write Revelation.
How can Jesus be the Lamb of God if Jesus is God?
Can God sacrifice himself to himself?
Why would God need to do that.
Christian doctrine which teaches that God came down as a human being by impregnating a woman are committing blasphemy. If God was on earth and all is in God then God would have to be in God and at the same time separated from God with an individual will.

The Father/Son/Holy Spirit of the Christian Faith comes from Nimrod/Tammuz/Ishtar. That is a pagan doctrine. False doctrine, friend.

It seems that you need to do more research on your religion.

Christmas, Easter, Sun-day . . . all pagan days.
Even the name Iesos is a pagan fish God, thus the Fish being associated with Yeshua.
His real name was Yeshua Ben Yosef (Joshua son of Joseph) and he was not born of a virgin woman. Yeshua = Joshua, not Jesus. Jesus (Iesos Christo) comes from Canaanite worship and Christ comes from Krishna.

 

[Jonathan Rex]

John from what I can tell is John Nicodemus, it quotes more stuff about private Pharisee conversations, then anyone else would have known about at the time or after.
It also relates 3/4 references where a man by the name of Nicodemus approached Yeshua from the high council; that would have only been to his knowledge…
So we have gospel called John, then we look in Acts soon after Yeshua death and we have a member of the high council called John…..mmm
John + Nicodemus (Nicolaitans is form of Nicholas also) makes gospel of John…

The disciple John is clearly the gospel of Mark (John –Mark)

So when or where does anyone who proclaims lies in their testimony (destroying of the temple recorded in Matthew and Mark as false), can it then be held as truth?
It can’t so John is false and made up in a lot of places, taken from hear say of what the Pharisee/high council collected; yet since it is to discredit Yeshua/Christ then really how can it be quoted as if scripture?

Do not get mixed up in guessing who wrote books. The message is clear in all of them and the lies are clear in all of them.

John 14,15, and 16 testify against the idea that Yeshua is God. Yeshua said, "I have more to say to you but, you you cannot bear it. When he comes, he will guide you into all truths." (speaking of King Messiah/The Counselor)

You should be cautious as to what you believe when it comes to this Sananda character.

 

[sojourner]

If Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) descended upon Yeshua, then how can Yeshua be the Ruach HaKodesh prior to that moment of baptism? The Spirit cannot descend upon the Spirit. God cannot be tempted. Yeshua was tempted by Satan. Satan cannot tempt God. God can be tested ("Do not put the Lord your God to the test." - Yeshua) but being tempted requires one to consider something. God could never consider worshipping Satan. That is impossible. Yeshua was NOT God.

You're a little corn-fuzed here. You're forgetting that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human. The fully human aspect of Jesus did need the conference of the Holy Spirit, just as we all do. Jesus was tempted, just as all humans are tempted.

Trinitarian theology claims that the Son is not the Father. But both are God. (God/Father cannot be used interchangeably here, because "Father" is God in the same way that "Son" is God). There is one person of God: The Father. There is another person of God: The Son. There is yet a third person of God: The Spirit. Each is a separate person, yet all constitute the one God.

Show me one verse where Yeshua said that he was God. Just one.

Why does Jesus have to say it in order for it to be so? Jesus loves me, yet he is not quoted in the Bible as saying, "I love Sojourner."

Case closed.

It was never a real case to begin with. "To prove that I am God" was never a reason for Christ's coming to us.

If God was on earth and all is in God then God would have to be in God and at the same time separated from God with an individual will.

By golly, I think he sort-of gets it!

The Father/Son/Holy Spirit of the Christian Faith comes from Nimrod/Tammuz/Ishtar.

Says who? So what if they do? Why is that the lynchpin of debunkery?

Jesus (Iesos Christo) comes from Canaanite worship and Christ comes from Krishna.

We don't know where you're coming from with this statement.

 

[Ringer]

I am currently involved in a bible study and actually our first few discussions have been dealing with the deity of Christ. These are the notes we have been going over. I know it's a lot of verses to look up but I'd like to hear what some of you have to say in regards to some of the verses. Some of these verses may be redundant so I apologize in advance. By the way, my first post!​

The Deity of Christ

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I. What did others say about Jesus?
A. The witness of John the Baptist (John 1:34) – “I have seen and borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
B. The witness of the disciples (Matthew 14:33) – “You are certainly God’s Son.”
C. The witness of Peter (2 Peter 1:1) – “To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.”
D. The witness of the centurion (Mark 15:39) – “Truly this man was the Son of God.”
E. The witness of Thomas (John 20:28) – “My Lord and My God.”
F. The witness of the Apostle John (John 1:1, 18) – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.”
G. The witness of the Apostle Paul (Romans 9:5) – “Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!”
H. The witness of Isaiah the Prophet (Isaiah 9:6) – “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

II. What did the Father say about Jesus?
A. At Christ’s baptism (Matthew 3:5-6, 17) – Jerusalem and all Judea and the surrounding areas were coming to be baptized by John. They heard these words: “Thou art My beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased.”
B. At the transfiguration (Matthew 17:5) – Peter, James and John heard, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased. Listen to Him.”

III. What did the works of Jesus say about Him?
A. He cast out demons (Mark 5:1-20)
B. He raised the dead (Mark 5:21-24, 35-42; Romans 4:17)
C. He gave sight to the blind (Mark 10:46-52; Psalm 146:8)
D. He cleansed lepers (Luke 5:12-13)
E. He enabled the lame to walk (Luke 5:17-25)
F. He forgave sin (Mark 2:5-7)

IV. What did Jesus claim for Himself?
A. He claimed omniscience (Matthew 9:4; John 1:48; 6:64)
B. He claimed omnipotence (Matthew 28:18)
C. He claimed omnipresence (Matthew 18:20; 28:20)
D. He received worship (Matthew 28:9; Exodus 20:4-5)
E. He claimed to exist eternally (Exodus 3:14; John 8:58) – Note that the Jews attempted to stone him for this claim because he was making Himself out to be God.
F. He claimed to be God (John 10:30-33)
G. He claimed to be immortal (John 10:17-18)

 

[may]

Well, I'm not a trinitarian, and I don't play on on teevee, but I'd observe that if it were all that clear, there wouldn't be so many millions that still are trinitarians.

manmade tradtions really have clouded the thought, and many down through time have been misled . just as the bible foretold ,

 

[may]

as the Church has declared for 2,000 years now, Jesus Christ is God, who came in the flesh and died for us.

and as the bible informs us , he is not God ,but he is Gods son John 3;16 of cause there are many many people who have been misled by false religious teachers , and these false religious teachers started to infiltrate the early christian congregations , just as the bible informs us that that would happen . and the following manmade doctrine is just one of many teachings that are not bible teachings.

Trinity​

Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three "Persons" are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching............................ but not all people have been misled to go along with unbiblical teachings , and in this time of the end those who are after true bible teachings will be blessed , with even more understanding about the bible . and the trinity is not a bible teaching it is manmade teachings

 

[may]

Who Is Jesus Christ?
Exactly who was he? What was he like? And where is he now? i would say that Jesus is a heavenly king . and his ride on his white horse goes on. but this link is good reading

 

[sojourner]

Biblical quiz of the day:

What's the name of Jesus' white horse?