John Macarthur opens church

[Polymath257]

Federalism? Tenth Amendment? Stop, please just stop. An answer for everything, a backstroke for all occasions.

Interstate commerce? You know, the one that the government uses all the time?

 

[Jainarayan]

Interstate commerce? You know, the one that the government uses all the time?

This isn’t interstate commerce. The President has no constitutional authority to intervene in a state’s internal affairs.

 

[Polymath257]

This isn’t interstate commerce. The President has no constitutional authority to intervene in a state’s internal affairs.

He has the authority to *coordinate* the state responses. He didn't do so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He has the authority to *coordinate* the state responses. He didn't do so.

Trump has always been a bit uncoordinated. It's those dang bone spurs

 

[Jainarayan]

He has the authority to *coordinate* the state responses. He didn't do so.

Oh, the governors are inept. I see. “Not my fault”. I need someone to tell me what to do. So let me see, the POTUS should coordinate the governors in doing their jobs; do they tell the President how to handle military affairs? Foreign policy? When are the excuses and blame games going to stop?

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, the governors are inept. I see. “Not my fault”. I need someone to tell me what to do. So let me see, the POTUS should coordinate the governors in doing their jobs; do they tell the President how to handle military affairs? Foreign policy? When are the excuses and blame games going to stop?

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

Some governors are inept, some are not. The point is that due to Trump's lack of leadership there is no coordinated response against the virus. When there is a threat to the nation as a whole it is the President's job to try to lead us away from that threat. Unfortunately when it comes to Covid19 Trump does not even follow his own experts.

 

[Jainarayan]

Some governors are inept, some are not. The point is that due to Trump's lack of leadership there is no coordinated response against the virus. When there is a threat to the nation as a whole it is the President's job to try to lead us away from that threat. Unfortunately when it comes to Covid19 Trump does not even follow his own experts.

Wait an hour before you go in so you don’t cramp.

 

[Kenny]

And why? Because too many places are too hesitant to *really* teach kids how to think. It goes against too many religious principles and nationalistic goals.

I hear opinions here....

We have been battling to get good science taught in the schools for decades. But there are too few teachers who are able to do it, and too many parents who complain when little Johnny actually has to think. And, when it comes to some things like evolution, there are even state legislatures that try to step into the act.

We also fail to teach basic civics. How many people (even elected representatives) don't know the three branches of government nor can name their Senators or Representatives? How many people can't name a Supreme Court Justice? How many people complain about socialism, but if it means their farm subsidy or disability check doesn't arrive, they wail and moan?

Let's face it. We get the education we pay for. And we aren't paying for a good one. Never have (except briefly after Sputnik).

a lot of truth here.

Maybe we should go back 50 years and teach like we did then?

 

[Kenny]

And Franco? And Pinochet?

Religion is *one* of the ways that dictators control the masses.

It seems like you want to ignore the reality of what I have posted.

Do you have any sources that they "opened" churches?

 

[Callisto]

I don’t have a job anymore. I’m not likely to find a job. I don’t have a life because I have almost no income. I will not have a life because I can’t get medications I need to stay alive. Ironically, my death and others like me will be reported as covid related. The universe does indeed have a sense of humor worthy of me.

And you can thank the lack of leadership from the outgoing administration, partisanship, and those citizens who are myopic, self absorbed and, some instances, simply ignorant. It's those who continue to flout science, common sense and decency that fuel the outbreak's resurgence and put millions of others in a similar position to your own and worse.

As long as people choose to go their own way instead of acknowledging they're a part of a greater whole and need to shoulder their share of responsibility, this pandemic will continue to rage on.

 

[Callisto]

You can call it back-peddling in you want... but it was the intent.

Did Cuba close churches? Did China close churches? Did Russia close churches? Or do you want to just argue for argument sake

How does that refute what I stated? Seems you want to argue for argument sake

 

[dad]

And you can thank the lack of leadership from the outgoing administration, partisanship, and those citizens who are myopic, self absorbed and, some instances, simply ignorant. It's those who continue to flout science, common sense and decency that fuel the outbreak's resurgence and put millions of others in a similar position to your own and worse.

As long as people choose to go their own way instead of acknowledging they're a part of a greater whole and need to shoulder their share of responsibility, this pandemic will continue to rage on.

The sacrifice of millions of children rages on, and what does Biden do? Cheerleads it. There are hundreds of thousands of deaths from medical error, and millions are on their way to starvation some say because of the lockdowns. Of all the killer issues facing us, we should not obsess on one only, and destroy freedom and cause death other ways.

 

[Callisto]

The sacrifice of millions of children rages on, and what does Biden do? Cheerleads it. There are hundreds of thousands of deaths from medical error, and millions are on their way to starvation some say because of the lockdowns. Of all the killer issues facing us, we should not obsess on one only, and destroy freedom and cause death other ways.

I don't know what you mean by "cheerleading", can you explain. Are you equating pro-choice with the erroneous "pro abortion"?

What medical errors are you referring to? Your comment seems to paint very broad unspecific strokes.

Of all the killer issues facing us, this is one that is raging out of control to the point of causing self-isolation and distancing, bringing much of the economy to a standstill. This is something ordinary citizens have some ability to exert influence over by ensuring they aren't a spreader. People need to treat wearing a mask as on par with keeping a firearm, and have a comparable willingness to use it (the mask) to protect themselves, their own and their neighbors instead of pretending it somehow abridges their personal rights.

 

[dad]

I don't know what you mean by "cheerleading", can you explain. Are you equating pro-choice with the erroneous "pro abortion"?

I mean all Dems and their leader are gung ho for abortion. The terms or labels don't matter, either people view babies as sacred and from God or not, and they want to kill them by the millions.

What medical errors are you referring to? Your comment seems to paint very broad unspecific strokes.

The medical errors that cause deaths all over the world, more than covid.
Johns Hopkins study suggests medical errors are third-leading cause of death in U.S. Far more than the covid deaths

Of all the killer issues facing us, this is one that is raging out of control to the point of causing self-isolation and distancing

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The disease did not cause lockdowns as one of it's symptoms. The governments did that. The numbers show millions of babies killed each year and where are the lock downs for that? Nowhere, they pay people to kill them! The medical error deaths, where are the lock downs for that? The flu? Car accidents? scores of infectious diseases? wars? The millions of people that they say will starve as a result of the lockdowns?

bringing much of the economy to a standstill. This is something ordinary citizens have some ability to exert influence over by ensuring they aren't a spreader.

Hey who isn't a spreader?

People need to treat wearing a mask as on par with keeping a firearm, and have a comparable willingness to use it (the mask) to protect themselves, their own and their neighbors instead of pretending it somehow abridges their personal rights.

Masks are a joke and have little effect. Masks that are worn too long can cause things like bacterial pneumonia and other things. I don't mind people wearing masks. I do mind people trying to force their foolish ideas on everyone else.

 

[Kenny]

How does that refute what I stated? Seems you want to argue for argument sake

I guess we can go in circles. In as much as, apparently, neither you nor I have refuted any statements by both of us.

 

[Callisto]

I mean all Dems and their leader are gung ho for abortion. The terms or labels don't matter, either people view babies as sacred and from God or not, and they want to kill them by the millions.

Pro-choice isn't the same as being "gung ho for abortion", you're just using a very old and very false generalization.

The medical errors that cause deaths all over the world, more than covid.
Johns Hopkins study suggests medical errors are third-leading cause of death in U.S. Far more than the covid deaths

Medical errors all over the world vs the devastation in a matter of 10 months by a pandemic isn't a 1:1 comparison.

The disease did not cause lockdowns as one of it's symptoms. The governments did that. The numbers show millions of babies killed each year and where are the lock downs for that? Nowhere, they pay people to kill them! The medical error deaths, where are the lock downs for that? The flu? Car accidents? scores of infectious diseases? wars? The millions of people that they say will starve as a result of the lockdowns?

This is an incoherent argument that has no basis of comparison. Lockdowns are due to the spread of disease, if it wasn't without treatment and wasn't so communicable, lockdowns would not have been required.

Hey who isn't a spreader?

Either someone who takes necessary precautions to avoid it or someone who takes the necessary precautions to not pass it on if they have contracted it.

Masks are a joke and have little effect. Masks that are worn too long can cause things like bacterial pneumonia and other things. I don't mind people wearing masks. I do mind people trying to force their foolish ideas on everyone else.

Science says you're wrong, look up CDC, World Health Organization, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins and a multitude of other readily available information, e.g.:

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

 

[Callisto]

I guess we can go in circles. In as much as, apparently, neither you nor I have refuted any statements by both of us.

You claim the Church is a haven from dictatorship. I showed clear examples over centuries that proved that is false. You then claimed "I mean today's Church", I brought up recent history, you ignored it. Your position was refuted, you just choose not to acknowledge what is of historical record.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don’t have bail money for you. I hope someone does. I don’t smoke, but if that happened and you took a swipe at me, you best believe I would press charges.

So would I for breathing toxic and carcinogenic chemicals at me without consent.

 

[dad]

Pro-choice isn't the same as being "gung ho for abortion", you're just using a very old and very false generalization.

Those who support the millions of abortions each year have no regard for the choice of the baby to live or not. They are not pro choice they are pro murder.

Medical errors all over the world vs the devastation in a matter of 10 months by a pandemic isn't a 1:1 comparison.

The numbers aren't. If some 250,000 or whatever just in the US die every year from medical error (add that to the babies the medical system whacks) then it is true there is no real comparison,

This is an incoherent argument that has no basis of comparison. Lockdowns are due to the spread of disease, if it wasn't without treatment and wasn't so communicable, lockdowns would not have been required.

Sure, abortion clinics and liquor stores and walmarts etc can stay open, while worship groups and many businesses are deemed unworthy to operate. The disruptions in food supply that this sort of thing causes seem likely to be a factor in many people starving to death in the world.
Coronavirus is causing 10,000 more children to die of hunger per month globally: UN

Either someone who takes necessary precautions to avoid it or someone who takes the necessary precautions to not pass it on if they have contracted it.

If people knew they had it I suspect they would do just that.

Science says you're wrong, look up CDC, World Health Organization, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins and a multitude of other readily available information, e.g.:

What's Up With All the Contradictory Advice About COVID-19 and Face Masks?

Medical advice is like legal advice, we can pay them to say what we want in many cases. The original advice was contradicted.

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

From your link
"The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said."

In other words they did not tell the truth. You now want us to believe them!!?

 

[Jainarayan]

So would I for breathing toxic and carcinogenic chemicals at me without consent.

So you would go stand or sit by someone who is smoking just so you could cry foul!? You’re looking for trouble. You will lose. And when people go poking the bear and lose it makes me happy in the extreme.