John Macarthur opens church

[Jainarayan]

Very few. She has marks all over her face when she takes her mask off at night.

Have you not been watching the news? There have been videos and photos of nurses and doctors in this situation playing all over the news all over the world since last March.
They haven't typically been getting many breaks, because they have been overwhelmed with too many patients.

Oh, the news.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days

3.3% total US cases.
2.2% death rate.

 

[Jainarayan]

Yeah, no kidding, the US is doing far, far worse than pretty much every other country.

Of course it's valid to compare the efforts being done in other countries and to adopt and use the most successful actions that other countries have taken to contain the virus.
Why wouldn't it be? And why wouldn't you want to do this?



You don't want to look at what other countries are doing so I guess you're screwed, huh?

Good thing we all don't have a such a defeatist attitude.

Answer the question. You’re making the statement about what other countries are doing, back it up. Just like you and a few of your comrades badgered me for “sources”. So back up your statement. It’s not incumbent on me to prove your statements.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Surgeons, anesthesiologists and med-surg nurses do 4, 6, 8 hour surgeries without pee breaks, standing on their feet all that time? Are you telling me that with a straight face? I’ll have to ask my orthopedic surgeon what he meant by assisting surgeonS and nurseS for my lumbar fusion, the one that took 4 hours.

No one has said that, you assumed it and read it into her post.

No, masks don't cause "more problems than the disease ever could." That claim was debunked long ago.
Why don't you ask some surgeons about that? I'm sure they'd love to tell you about all their surgeon friends who died during long surgeries because they had to wear their mask too long. Or all those doctors and nurses treating COVID patients from dusk to dawn every day dropping like flies because they had to wear a mask all day long!
Come on, man.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Supermarkets deliver.

For a considerable mark up/delivery fee. And if you're one person like I am, the free delivery requires a much larger purchase than I would normally make.
I'd rather go to stores with a sense of responsibility and enforce established guidelines during a pandemic that involves a very contagious and deadly disease (and it can do some nasty damage if it doesn't kill you).

 

[Jainarayan]

For a considerable mark up/delivery fee. And if you're one person like I am, the free delivery requires a much larger purchase than I would normally make.
I'd rather go to stores with a sense of responsibility and enforce established guidelines during a pandemic that involves a very contagious and deadly disease (and it can do some nasty damage if it doesn't kill you).

A service fee yes. Not considerable. I did it when I had back surgery and couldn’t go out for 6 weeks. Always an excuse, huh?

 

[dad]

Apparently you never heard of "pro-life Democrats".

Not sure what that even means. Does this mean they do not support abortion? If so, name any one in the Dem party with that view? Pelosi? Clinton? Obama? anyone?

That's absolutely been proven false. Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus and Coronavirus Face Masks & Protection FAQs

Well, if their original advice was proven false don't ask me to believe them now either! In some cases you might as well wear a clown mask for all the good it would do.

I go by the science, being a scientist (retired) myself, not what the politicians may say about the science. And I am pro-life, but you have made it clear that your really aren't.

Pro life means not wanting babies killed generally. Not swallowing the ever changing advice of science. The medical system kills millions of babies. Medical error is also a leading cause of death.

Some experts are no pro mask either.

"The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection."
ACP Journals

 

[dad]

That makes absolutely no sense.


Also, I don't own any abortion clinics. But I'm pretty sure medical procedures can't be actually be done online.
So I'm sorry, but your point doesn't make any sense to me, nor does it address what I said.

For those who suggest we all go online, your reply shows that is ridiculous.

 

[dad]

Who is sacrificing babies? They should be arrested.

Millions of babies each year are sacrificed and killed. They use the word abortion.

 

[dad]

No, masks don't cause "more problems than the disease ever could." That claim was debunked long ago.
Why don't you ask some surgeons about that? I'm sure they'd love to tell you about all their surgeon friends who died during long surgeries because they had to wear their mask too long. Or all those doctors and nurses treating COVID patients from dusk to dawn every day dropping like flies because they had to wear a mask all day long!
Come on, man.

Most masks people wear are not surgical. But I think masks are fine. Wear them as you feel a need. An old sock on your face, a bandana, cloth, whatever people like. I do once in a while when unavoidable. Do not make them mandatory, or pretend they will save you.

 

[Kenny]

You claim the Church is a haven from dictatorship. I showed clear examples over centuries that proved that is false. You then claimed "I mean today's Church", I brought up recent history, you ignored it. Your position was refuted, you just choose not to acknowledge what is of historical record.

What recent history? I showed that one was incorrect and you never established that the others actually opened churches.

You gave opinions of which one was definitely wrong. You need to do better than just opinions.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh, the news.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days

3.3% total US cases.
2.2% death rate.

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Just wondering what this has to do with what I was talking about.

 

[Jainarayan]

Just wondering what this has to do with what I was talking about.

Is everything about you? Maybe I wanted to make my own point? Sagittarius A-Star is the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, not SkepticThinker.

But really, you referred to the news and hearsay from your sister. I posted published data. I think it has everything to do with what you said.

 

[metis]

Well, if their original advice was proven false don't ask me to believe them now either! In some cases you might as well wear a clown mask for all the good it would do.

As they have learned more about this new virus based on studies, some adjustments had to be made, which is how science actually works.

Pro life means not wanting babies killed generally.

Pro-Life is about life, thus not just about abortion.

Some experts are no pro mask either.

"The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection."
ACP Journals

You have misrepresented what your own article says. The study was based on the percent of prevention, thus not concluding that there was none.

 

[metis]

Not sure what that even means. Does this mean they do not support abortion?

Correct.

Many Dems feel that abortion is wrong but they are not willing to force a woman in a democracy to not do something that's within her own body, especially since it would go against what the majority of Americans polled say they don't want the government to do, and one of those is Chief Justice Roberts, who's a pro-life Catholic.

Thus, do you actually believe in democracy or do you want an theocracy based on your church's wishes?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Answer the question. You’re making the statement about what other countries are doing, back it up. Just like you and a few of your comrades badgered me for “sources”. So back up your statement. It’s not incumbent on me to prove your statements.

I've never suggested it was incumbent upon you to prove my statements. You've said more than once that comparing the US to other countries is invalid for a reason you have yet refused to give. So I hesitate to provide information for a person who doesn't care for that information.

Other (successful) countries have coordinated efforts on the part of their governments to put into place mask and social distancing mandates; mandatory quarantining for 14 days for those who are infected; they coordinate mass testing and contact tracing; they have limits on numbers of people in social gatherings and indoor areas; they have safety precautions that are followed by business owners that involve continually cleaning off equipment, doorknobs, and other things that are touched by many people; they have lockdowns when things get out of control, so that front-line workers and hospitals won't be overwhelmed; they provide financial assistance to their citizens; and on and on.

We actually went into lockdown here for about 3 months here back in March when things were really bad. During that time, bus fares were waived, food delivery fees were waived, curbside pick up became a thing, small business owners were given financial support, we were asked that if we had to go to the grocery store for vital necessities that only one member of the household should go, we were asked to keep to our social interactions to the people within our own households; only essential businesses were kept open and workplace safety restrictions were enacted. These are measures that have been demonstrated to work in keeping infection rates from skyrocketing in communities. Once g infection rates are a little more under control, they start to open things up a bit more, but slowly, all the while keeping track of cases. Basic stuff.

 

[SkepticThinker]

For those who suggest we all go online, your reply shows that is ridiculous.

What are you talking about?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Millions of babies each year are sacrificed and killed. They use the word abortion.

Babies are human beings that have been born into the world.
If millions of people are sacrificing babies every year, they should be arrested and jailed.

Why do you keep trying to change the subject to abortion? This thread is about COVID and churches.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Most masks people wear are not surgical. But I think masks are fine. Wear them as you feel a need. An old sock on your face, a bandana, cloth, whatever people like. I do once in a while when unavoidable. Do not make them mandatory, or pretend they will save you.

They reduce the spread of this infectious disease, along with social distancing, hand washing and other safety measures.

I always wear a surgical mask.

 

[Jainarayan]

I've never suggested it was incumbent upon you to prove my statements. You've said more than once that comparing the US to other countries is invalid for a reason you have yet refused to give. So I hesitate to provide information for a person who doesn't care for that information.

Other (successful) countries have coordinated efforts on the part of their governments to put into place mask and social distancing mandates; mandatory quarantining for 14 days for those who are infected; they coordinate mass testing and contact tracing; they have limits on numbers of people in social gatherings and indoor areas; they have safety precautions that are followed by business owners that involve continually cleaning off equipment, doorknobs, and other things that are touched by many people; they have lockdowns when things get out of control, so that front-line workers and hospitals won't be overwhelmed; they provide financial assistance to their citizens; and on and on.

We actually went into lockdown here for about 3 months here back in March when things were really bad. During that time, bus fares were waived, food delivery fees were waived, curbside pick up became a thing, small business owners were given financial support, we were asked that if we had to go to the grocery store for vital necessities that only one member of the household should go, we were asked to keep to our social interactions to the people within our own households; only essential businesses were kept open and workplace safety restrictions were enacted. These are measures that have been demonstrated to work in keeping infection rates from skyrocketing in communities. Once g infection rates are a little more under control, they start to open things up a bit more, but slowly, all the while keeping track of cases. Basic stuff.

You do just go on and on.

I've never suggested it was incumbent upon you to prove my statements. You've said more than once that comparing the US to other countries is invalid for a reason you have yet refused to give. So I hesitate to provide information for a person who doesn't care for that information.

Other (successful) countries have coordinated efforts on the part of their governments to put into place mask and social distancing mandates; mandatory quarantining for 14 days for those who are infected; they coordinate mass testing and contact tracing; they have limits on numbers of people in social gatherings and indoor areas; they have safety precautions that are followed by business owners that involve continually cleaning off equipment, doorknobs, and other things that are touched by many people; they have lockdowns when things get out of control, so that front-line workers and hospitals won't be overwhelmed; they provide financial assistance to their citizens; and on and on.

We actually went into lockdown here for about 3 months here back in March when things were really bad. During that time, bus fares were waived, food delivery fees were waived, curbside pick up became a thing, small business owners were given financial support, we were asked that if we had to go to the grocery store for vital necessities that only one member of the household should go, we were asked to keep to our social interactions to the people within our own households; only essential businesses were kept open and workplace safety restrictions were enacted. These are measures that have been demonstrated to work in keeping infection rates from skyrocketing in communities. Once g infection rates are a little more under control, they start to open things up a bit more, but slowly, all the while keeping track of cases. Basic stuff.

Can your posts get any more shrewish and nagging? Bury the bone already. I answered you several times but you don’t like the answers. So for the love of the Gods, bury the bone. I’m not going to repeat myself.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You do just go on and on.

Are you for real? You just asked me for a detailed explanation as to what other countries are doing. I even asked you why you were asking for that, after you'd just told me that comparing COVID responses to other countries isn't valid. Then you accused me of not answering your question.

You're all over the place.

Can your posts get any more shrewish and nagging? Bury the bone already. I answered you several times but you don’t like the answers. So for the love of the Gods, bury the bone. I’m not going to repeat myself.

Thanks for wasting my time with your intense hostility and rudeness.

Don't ask questions you don't actually want answers to, so I don't have to waste my time again. TIA.