Judaism and Supplemental Material

[David Davidovich]

As a Torath Mosheh Jew, psychics failing to live up to their claims is proof to me that they are unreliable and it helps strengthen the Torah probibition we Jews have to stay away from them. If the world at large wants to accept that level of reliability that is up to the world at large. Though, I don't see most modern people finding any use for them.

In terms of demons, because the vast of the majority of Jewish world is not plagued by what "westerners" call demons I can pretty much say we Jews don't have to worry about that. In fact, those rabbis who did say (שדים) were something supernatural also claimed that when Jews keep Torah (שדים) would have no influence on Torath Mosheh Jews. So, we Torath Mosheh Jews can be comfortable in that area also.

In terms of magic, again whatever that means, Jews have Torah and have no use for no matter how someone in the world wants to define it - epecially if it has no effective repeatability and leads someone down an illogicial path. In terms of supernatural, again I have been no comprehensive defintion to define what "exactly" is supernatural so we can write that one off. Again, what is accepted in the non-Torah based world under all those terms are up to how that world wants to define them and work within their understandings of such.



As a Torath Mosheh Jew I am required to be skeptical. So, if someone wants to provide me with some proof that has a high level of repeatability then they can go for it.



Given that Hashem, according to Torath Mosheh, is the Source of reality and is not human, has no emotions, is not human-like, does not change, has no human form of thought, has no physical form, never self-defined by the English term "god", did not create the concept of religion, etc. for me pretty much the following.

*Big bang theory
*Space-time
*Thermodynamics
*Galatic year, etc.

The following video may help understand what I mean.

Please note: proof is often subjective.

Okay, I'll get around to looking at the video.

 

[David Davidovich]

He was actually pointing out what he thinks the English Christian bible means. He wasn't reading from the Hebrew Tanakh nor was he referencing anything that he derived from the Hebrew Tanakh. The below is an example of what I mean by reading from the Hebrew Torah.

But that's beside the point because you still could have told me what the Torath Mosheh Jewish viewpoint of those scriptures were. Such as the verses where the woman had to drink the water with the ink in it which had been rinsed off the scroll that had the curses that were written on it. Therefore, to me, it seems like you are just dodging the topic of those verses and decided to not even give me what the Torath Jewish version of those verse were.

But that's fine. And I will look at your video, but meanwhile, I will dictate the ideas and verses from the second video, but, won't even post a link for the second video so that you can just explain what the Torath Mosheh interpretation of the verses are.

 

[David Davidovich]

But that's fine. And I will look at your video, but meanwhile, I will dictate the ideas and verses from the second video, but, won't even post a link for the second video so that you can just explain what the Torath Mosheh interpretation of the verses are.

Also, I wanted to note that the reason why I was using those videos in the first place was because this is the first time that I ever heard the claims that the narrator was making in his videos about the Hebrew text. However, I will completely turn off that noise and just ask you about certain Hebrew texts that I myself have been curious about.

 

[David Davidovich]

Okay. Here is the problem. The person you are referencing, because he has not actually read the Torah in Hebrew, is mixing up a lot of things from having read English Christian bibles.

If you really want answers to these questions. I would have to offer to do a zoom with you where we start and finish from the Hebrew text and Torath Mosheh sources. The reason is that answering all of your question requires focusing on what is written in the Hebrew text and not on what non-Torath Mosheh intepretations of the English bibles are. I know that you mentioned this is a problem for you but because of the amount of time to give a clear and clarified answer that involves me having explain the language, and about 3,000 years of history about the text and the language.

If you are interested in my offer I can do all the work to set it up. It would probably only take about 15 to 20 minutes if we go by the Hebrew text and only Torath Mosheh sources rather than try to compared with non-Jewish and no-Hebrew language based youtubers are saying.

I'm just now seeing this post, however, I will let you know if I'm interested in doing that.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

But that's beside the point because you still could have told me what the Torath Mosheh Jewish viewpoint of those scriptures were.

Actually because it is not. You asked me for my opinion about the video you presented. I gave you my view about the video. Now you are asking a completely different question. Also, in order for me to explain what the Torath Mosheh position is you have to 100% be on board that I am describing the Hebrew Tanakh, and not an English translation and not the western concepts that comes mainly from Christian "old testament" texts. This would also include ejecting terms that are compatable with the original terms used in ancient Hebrew and in Torath Mosheh culture. Such terms that would need to be ejected would yahweh, "god", paginism, pagan, religion, etc. Also, you would have to eject any video of someone speaking in English and not showing you what the Hebrew text says and what Torath Mosheh sources say. If you are willing to eject these things I can attempt to address your questions.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Also, I wanted to note that the reason why I was using those videos in the first place was because this is the first time that I ever heard the claims that the narrator was making in his videos about the Hebrew text.

I understand, but again when it comes to videos "buyer beware." Especially, when it comes to historical inforamtion.

However, I will completely turn off that noise and just ask you about certain Hebrew texts that I myself have been curious about.

That would be better. Try to ask one at a time seperated. It is easier for me to answer that way. Again, there are only so many hours in the day.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Therefore, to me, it seems like you are just dodging the topic of those verses and decided to not even give me what the Torath Jewish version of those verse were.

Not dodging the topic. There is no way I can give you the Torath Mosheh answer if what we are doing is comparing what someone said in a video, without the original text or proof that they even know it. It has to be a situation where you are asking me a) what is in the original Hebrew Text, b) what do Torath Mosheh Jewish sources say about the text, and c) questions you may have about a) an b).

If that is the format, it will help you go beyond a video that someone posts where they don't show you how they got from A to Z with their claims.

Based on your lasts posts I see that you agree to this. Great.

 

[David Davidovich]

David Davidovich said: ↑
Therefore, to me, it seems like you are just dodging the topic of those verses and decided to not even give me what the Torath Jewish version of those verse were.

Not dodging the topic. There is no way I can give you the Torath Mosheh answer if what we are doing is comparing what someone said in a video, , ,

No problem with that.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

1) Numbers 21 and the brass serpent that Moses put on a pole.

The following may help. It is short synopsis of various Torath Mosheh sources on this.

Eventually, the (שרף) had to be destroyed because a later generation of Israels started using it to do Avodah Zara. I.e. putting it in place of Hashem or borrowing practices from cultures that had already replaced Hashem with other stuff.

To really understand the above I suggest watching again the below videos.

 

[Swede01]

I am still kinda scared about converting because it would be a taboo to convert to reform Judaism instead of Orthodox as well. What can I even do?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I am still kinda scared about converting because it would be a taboo to convert to reform Judaism instead of Orthodox as well. What can I even do?

Forget about it. It is nearly inconceivable to me that conversion would be appropriate.

 

[Swede01]

Forget about it. It is nearly inconceivable to me that conversion would be appropriate.

Why do you believe that?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why do you believe that?

In my opinion you are not listening, so I think I'll just back away from this discussion. Take care ...

 

[Ehav4Ever]

I am still kinda scared about converting because it would be a taboo to convert to reform Judaism instead of Orthodox as well. What can I even do?

Your only options are a) discuss this issue with a rabbi in the country you live in or b) keep the Noachide laws. If these are not satisfactory then you will have to decide what are you are going to do on your own.

As mentioned before no one on this forum has any powers of conversion in Sweden and for the situation you described. This means that no one on this forum can help you in this matter.

Please Note: This thread was not started to deal with this topic.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Why do you believe that?

Here are two synagogoues that you can call and ask your questions to:

Adat jisrael - startsida -

Adat Jeschurun | Levande judendom

If you are serious about getting answers to all the questions you presented on this thread then discussing them with a rabbi from one of these two communities is your ONLY option.

There is nothing more that anyone on this forum can suggest for you to do.

 

[Swede01]

Here are two synagogoues that you can call and ask your questions to:

Adat jisrael - startsida -

Adat Jeschurun | Levande judendom

If you are serious about getting answers to all the questions you presented on this thread then discussing them with a rabbi from one of these two communities is your ONLY option.

There is nothing more that anyone on this forum can suggest for you to do.

So there are no Reform Jews here?

 

[Harel13]

So there are no Reform Jews here?

There are a few. You spoke a bit with one of them, @Jayhawker Soule. What @Ehav4Ever meant was that as nobody here has the jurisdiction to convert people in Sweden, and as you have decided to take a pass on our recommendations, there isn't anything else we can do for you.

 

[Swede01]

Oh, okay. I just wished I could do it online and at home anonymously, I'll only practice it at home either way

 

[Rival]

Oh, okay. I just wished I could do it online and at home anonymously, I'll only practice it at home either way

You seem woefully uneducated about conversion.

First, you will need to contact your local Rabbi and have a basic conversation and get to know him over a few months. This will be necessary later.

Then you will need to contact the Beth Din (Beis Din, Beit Din, however Swedish Jews pronounce it) to ask about conversion. They will want to talk to the Rabbi I mentioned earlier and will want to know what you've already been doing to live Jewishly. I.e., do you make netillat yadayim? Have you learned the brachot? Can you read the Hebrew alefbet? Etc. They'll vet you, tell you to read some supplementary material and then get back to them. Don't expect them to get back to you; they need to know you're determined.

Once you get past this stage, you'll probably have to pay for some forms to send back to them; name, age etc.

Then, if you don't already, you'll have to live in a Jewish area - so you'll need to move. Often this means living with a kind of adoptive Jewish family to learn from.

What happens from here can take up to 2 years but usually you'll attend courses in Hebrew etc.

Then you'll have to attend the Beth Din again and be approved to take a mikveh dip and actually convert. This may also cost you.

 

[Swede01]

You seem woefully uneducated about conversion.

First, you will need to contact your local Rabbi and have a basic conversation and get to know him over a few months. This will be necessary later.

Then you will need to contact the Beth Din (Beis Din, Beit Din, however Swedish Jews pronounce it) to ask about conversion. They will want to talk to the Rabbi I mentioned earlier and will want to know what you've already been doing to live Jewishly. I.e., do you make netillat yadayim? Have you learned the brachot? Can you read the Hebrew alefbet? Etc. They'll vet you, tell you to read some supplementary material and then get back to them. Don't expect them to get back to you; they need to know you're determined.

Once you get past this stage, you'll probably have to pay for some forms to send back to them; name, age etc.

Then, if you don't already, you'll have to live in a Jewish area - so you'll need to move. Often this means living with a kind of adoptive Jewish family to learn from.

What happens from here can take up to 2 years but usually you'll attend courses in Hebrew etc.

Then you'll have to attend the Beth Din again and be approved to take a mikveh dip and actually convert. This may also cost you.

Well that's how the orthodox view it. Paying for a conversion seems out of the ordinary based on what I read considering religious books are available for free online that you can read etc