Judaism

[Jayhawker Soule]

Did you mention to whom you were talking?

No, I did not.

Did I do any wrong to you?

Why do you ask?

 

[roger1440]

Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)
Regards

Discussing Jesus would be beyond the scope of this thread

 

[roger1440]

Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)
Regards

To answer your question, yes. Below is the word "truth" in Hebrew.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)
Regards

To answer your question, yes. Below is the word "truth" in Hebrew.

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.

Regards

 

[roger1440]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)
Regards


You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.

Regards

You testing me? LOL

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:13 )

 

[paarsurrey]

"The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

"Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true." (Psalm 119:142)"

Discussing Jesus would be beyond the scope of this thread

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don't have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.

Regards

 

[roger1440]

"The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

"Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true." (Psalm 119:142)"



Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don't have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.

Regards

The Psalms were written after the Torah. All these other books in Jewish scripture complement the Torah. The Torah is the foundation and most of the other books point back to the Torah.

One does not have to convert to Judaism to embrace truth. The “Noahide Laws” would apply to everyone. God speaks to all mankind. We just have to be willing to listen.

Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[roger1440]

That the Torah is the truth. That the god of Abraham is the god of everything. How do Jews know this?

They don't. They accept it on faith.

 

[Harmonious]

How do Jews prove that Judaism is the truth?

We don't.

There are core beliefs, and as we witness the world around us, we see that the beliefs are true.

We can point to the virtuous teachings, and see how they align with many things that are taught elsewhere. We can point to methodology of many of our practices that the psychological community has "discovered" thousands of years later. They could have been known millennia earlier, if anyone thought enough about Jews to consult our practices.

We see miracles that happen every day. Do we expect other people to believe that what we've experienced is supernatural? No. But we know what we've seen or heard.

This weekend, we are coming up to the Jewish holiday of Shavu'ot, the holiday celebrating the revelation of the Torah, the Giving of the Torah, on Mount Sinai.

Is there solid physical evidence beyond the fact that Jews are still here, and though we are scattered and have been for far too long, we have a unique identity that is national, cultural, and religious, despite the fact that we've been an underdog in world politics for over 2000 years? Not really.

The idea that 2 million people traversed the desert in the Sinai Peninsula and the whole of the trek from Egypt to Israel is not traceable is impossible to prove. The sands of the desert shift. The miraculous food that rained down from the sky daily (every day except Saturday) was said to be fully metabolized, hence leaving no waste.

There are traditions that are passed on generationally, and we teach that we are to feel as if WE, who are telling the story, actually left the Egyptian bondage ourselves.

There is no proof for belief. Any amount of "proof" that can be shown can be explained away by any other explanation that anyone who does NOT believe may choose.

 

[metis]

But isn't this in and of it self a reason to question any and all?

Yep, and I do.

 

[paarsurrey]

You testing me? LOL

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:13 )

You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

• The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

1. • "The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth"Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true." (Psalm 119:142)"

Please quote from Jesus.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The Psalms were written after the Torah. All these other books in Jewish scripture complement the Torah. The Torah is the foundation and most of the other books point back to the Torah.

Moses is the Law Giver. Right
Moses did not mention Psalms or state that Psalms would be the part of Torah or Law.

So your quote is irrelevant. Thanks for your input though.

Regards

 

[gsa]

You suggested that Judaism is a racial religion. I pointed out that if it was a matter of race there would be no conversion to Judaism. Just like a Chinese person can't "convert" to the African race. Since it is possible to convert to Judaism, it is not a racial religion.


Sometimes the ignorance is just so great that its an affront to humanity and we as human beings need to remedy it.

It is however an ethnic/tribal/national religion (I think that the same is true of Islam in some sense as well; the ummah is analogous to a nation that includes people with a common ancestry and people without a common ancestry, and is a much stronger and cohesive body than the mystical "body of Christ" or "communion of all saints" that constitutes the Christian fraternity). Also nationality can be changed, at least there is historical precedent, by adopting the customs of a new nation or through intermarriage. The French certainly accept converts notwithstanding lack of shared lineage, to use one example.

 

[gsa]

Generally speaking, Jews tend not to engage in that kind of behavior voluntarily. "Proving" your religion is "the truth" is usually a facet of universalist religions that are actively proselytizing because they believe theirs to be the only legitimate or effective means of relating to God, and/or that everyone ought to be their religion.

Judaism is not universalist: we are, in fact, forbidden from active proselytization. We do accept proselytes who come to us of their own free will, but we do not actively seek out converts. This is, in part, because we do not (by and large) teach that Judaism is the only legitimate or effective means of relating to God, nor do we believe that everyone ought to be Jewish. We teach that Judaism is the only legitimate and authentic religion for Jews. We presume that non-Jews will have their own ways of relating to God, and that those ways can be and probably are perfectly satisfactory and effective for them.

We have various traditions and teachings about why Judaism alone is permissible and right for Jews to practice, and why Jews are forbidden from all other religions. But we don't generally make an effort to demonstrate such teachings to non-Jews, since the matter doesn't really concern non-Jews, unless said non-Jews are trying to force us to abandon Judaism for some other religion-- in which case we usually explain that we are bound by the covenant that our ancestors agreed to at Sinai, and the one which they (and we) inherited from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and that those covenants are eternal and unbreakable and commit us not only to pure monotheism but to our own specific and unique path of relating to God.

I would point out that there is a history of Jewish apologetics. It just served a very different function than Christian apologetics, which is also designed to sway potential converts.

 

[Tumah]

It is however an ethnic/tribal/national religion (I think that the same is true of Islam in some sense as well; the ummah is analogous to a nation that includes people with a common ancestry and people without a common ancestry, and is a much stronger and cohesive body than the mystical "body of Christ" or "communion of all saints" that constitutes the Christian fraternity). Also nationality can be changed, at least there is historical precedent, by adopting the customs of a new nation or through intermarriage. The French certainly accept converts notwithstanding lack of shared lineage, to use one example.

I'm not sure what you mean by tribal. But nationality and race are not synonymous. The member I was responding had suggested that Judaism was a racial religion. It may be true that the vast majority of us have shared genetic markers, but it is also possible to convert to Judaism. This would not be possible if Judaism was strictly a racial religion.

 

[paarsurrey]

Byjayfzv said: ↑
How do Jews prove that Judaism is the truth?

We don't.

There are core beliefs, and as we witness the world around us, we see that the beliefs are true.

They don't and they cannot prove that Judaism is truthful. Their narrators/clergy/scribes played havoc with the Word of Revelation from YHWH on Moses in ancient times and made it a racial religion. When they named it Judaism and its followers as Jews they got cut-off from Moses and YHWH.
Now whatever the Jews do, if their father and or mother are Jews one remains Jew, even one becomes an Atheist.
Am I right?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

 

[gsa]

I'm not sure what you mean by tribal. But nationality and race are not synonymous. The member I was responding had suggested that Judaism was a racial religion. It may be true that the vast majority of us have shared genetic markers, but it is also possible to convert to Judaism. This would not be possible if Judaism was strictly a racial religion.

I understand your response. I was just pointing out that there is a strong sense of "peoplehood" (whether expressed as an ethnicity, a tribe or a nation) that is a component of Judaism, one that overlaps with lineage as well. In Christianity, by contrast, lineage is basically not important. Certainly no one is born Christian; they become one through baptism and/or confirmation, which involves affirming some beliefs and carrying out Christian practices. By contrast, people are born Jews (and Muslims).

 

[paarsurrey]

By contrast, people are born Jews (and Muslims)

You are wrong about Muslims.
Please search on Google “the fastest religion growing in the world” and you will get to know that “According to some estimates, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world.”
Regards

 

[metis]

Byjayfzv said: ↑
How do Jews prove that Judaism is the truth?



They don't and they cannot prove that Judaism is truthful. Their narrators/clergy/scribes played havoc with the Word of Revelation from YHWH on Moses in ancient times and made it a racial religion. When they named it Judaism and its followers as Jews they got cut-off from Moses and YHWH.
Now whatever the Jews do, if their father and or mother are Jews one remains Jew, even one becomes an Atheist.
Am I right?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Can you substantiate any of this? In order to prove Torah wrong, you would have to absolutely know what the correct accounts were, and it is virtually impossible for you to do that. You can believe Torah is inaccurate, but you cannot substantiate that it is any more than I could substantiate the Qu'ran is inaccurate if I had any desire whatsoever to try and do that, which I don't. What you are doing is confusing your beliefs with whatever the facts may be, and "beliefs" and "facts" are not synonymous terms. So, all you are doing here is parroting the "Islamic line" that we've seen over and over again.

 

[rosends]

They don't and they cannot prove that Judaism is truthful.

We don't try. As stated, the truth is a matter of belief.

Their narrators/clergy/scribes played havoc with the Word of Revelation from YHWH on Moses in ancient times and made it a racial religion.

No, they didn't, and, as has been stated, though there is a genetic component to Judaism, it is not a racially based religion. Conversion in to Judaism precludes a racial limitation.

When they named it Judaism and its followers as Jews they got cut-off from Moses and YHWH.

Wrong. Giving something a name reflecting another aspect of it does nothing to change what the thing is. Call my computer a Mac. It is still a computer.

Now whatever the Jews do, if their father and or mother are Jews one remains Jew, even one becomes an Atheist.

In certain ways, this is true.