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Judgment from Yahweh during Chr-stmas Day?

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Well, it turns out that G-d doesn't just love the Israelites. ;)
No one made that claim. The claim was that Jesus was the Israelite messiah, and I made the counter claim that he was not. Thus my response directly replied to the previous post. Your remark, however, is completely unrelated to what was being discussed, so I have to wonder, what was going on in your head to lead you to make your remark.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Your remark, however, is completely unrelated to what was being discussed, so I have to wonder, what was going on in your head to lead you to make your remark.
It's not really unrelated..

You say that "Jesus is not the promised Messiah", so you don't accept him.
However many people HAVE accepted Him as Messiah.
Christians and Muslims do.
..so God guides whomsoever He wills .. He knows what is in our hearts.

I am aware of why Orthodox Jews don't accept Jesus .. they are still waiting for a Messiah of their own..

..but what if God decides to send Jesus back again to earth?
..it would be interesting to see who accepts him, and who does not.
..don't you think? :)
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It's not really unrelated..

You say that "Jesus is not the promised Messiah", so you don't accept him.
However many people HAVE accepted Him as Messiah.
Christians and Muslims do.
..so God guides whomsoever He wills .. He knows what is in our hearts.

I am aware of why Orthodox Jews don't accept Jesus .. they are still waiting for a Messiah of their own..

..but what if God decides to send Jesus back again to earth?
..it would be interesting to see who accepts him, and who does not.
..don't you think? :)
How is any of this related to your comment that God doesn't love just the Israelites? You have yet to make a connection.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
How is any of this related to your comment that God doesn't love just the Israelites? You have yet to make a connection.
Well, it seems to me, that many Orthodox Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah. The Ones that did, would no longer be seen as Orthodox Jews.

We know that there were many different communities of Jewish and non-Jewish "Christians", and that Christianity evolved to be what it is over a few centuries.

..so .. God sending Jesus to the world caused many Gentiles to get to know God, albeit in an unconventional manner. :)

..and all this because I replied to you saying "Jesus is not the Israelite Messiah.".
You may feel that it is unrelated, but I feel otherwise.
 

DNB

Christian
Are you saying you want all days to be alike, no holidays, no holy days? I'm just wondering how you can manage that belief and at the same time have the Torah as part of your holy scriptures.
Yes, you're right, the Torah established obligatory holidays that the Israelites were to observe fastidiously. Three out of six required pilgrimages (I don't include Purim or Hannukah as Levitical mandates), the holiest day was Yom Kippur. And, it is stated, that it was for this reason that Judah was taken into captivity for seventy years - for not observing the Sabbath years - allowing the land to lay uncultivated every 7 years.

So, yes, the Old Covenant lay heavy emphasis on holidays and festivals. Especially the weekly Sabbath, which was one of the precepts of the decalogue, and punishable by death when violated.

But, Christians are not to be observers of days and holidays. And, again, especially when there is absolutely no Scriptural attestation as to when Jesus was born - implying that this issue is not to be entertained nor dogmatized.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
But, Christians are not to be observers of days and holidays
Again, I don't know where you get that from. Certainly not from your bible. Are you perhaps just the sort of person that doens't like seeing people having a good time? Perhaps you don't like celebrating holidays, so you think you have to ruin it for everyone else? I don't know you. I don't know that that's the case. But I'm running out of ideas for your motivation.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hi Debater Slayer. Good evening. Yahweh punished the antediluvian peoples with a global flood in the time of Noah. So yes, Yahweh can judge people and nations with severe weather. EDIT: Just to be clear. Chr-stmas is a pagan celebration that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible. It is replete with paganism. If you've ever read the Bible, you'll know that Yahweh hates paganism. As a matter of fact, He wants His worship to be pure. The Pilgrim Fathers rejected Xmas as a heathen festival also and kept it as a fast day. Yahweh does judge. We know that from the Bible.
Why is God such a cry baby and a bigot that he decides people need to suffer and die for celebrating Christmas, even if it is Pagan.

The Pagan Deities often don't demand people be tortured, do not order genocide, do not threaten to burn people in Hell, are not so jealous, wrathful, proud, narcissistic, angry, and bloodthirsty as the God of Scripture.

He might have power to torture people, and all it shows is what a big baby he is, a coward who has power to kill and commit genocide, and be jealous and proud, murder the whole human race, kill babies, children, and women , because two people ate a piece of fruit he asked them not to.

His cruelty and war crimes are worse than military Dictator's responsible for the worst genocides.

There is no one who deserves to be tried for war crimes, and no one has tortured more innocent people to death than the God of the Scriptures.

Most Pagans and their Deities don't come close to being so cruel and sadistic!

And his jealousy is so ugly, it should be a sin, along with his greed, self absorption, pride, and all this need he has to be worshiped by everyone, or he gets angry and tortures them in hell for not worshiping him.

I don't know of a leader , who was ever such a hypocrite, so selfish, self absorbed, egotistical, and filthy rich, spoiled!
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
It has most certainly no origin in Yeshua, one could say, right?

I am done with any dialogue with you concerning the historical Jesus since you have absolutely no knowledge of the compilation, nor the theology of the written Christian Testament.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
#68 by our friend pearl " Religion: Catholic " , " Judgment from Yahweh during Chr-stmas Day? "
I am done with any dialogue with you concerning the historical Jesus since you have absolutely no knowledge of the compilation, nor the theology of the written Christian Testament.
Is there a need of being frustrated and angry, please?
Just be reasonable and follow (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, in deeds and the teachings, who never:
  1. died a cursed death on the Cross in the first place, many clues in the Bible itself, one must know
  2. never rose from the dead as he was seen by many people
  3. who was never, therefore, a god, it transpires
  4. and therefore atoned no sins of the sinful Paulian-"Christians"
  5. who travelled to Galilee, secretly, met with his friends
  6. and went out of Judea, out the hands of Jews (and Romans) , his persecutors
  7. one gets to know, please, right?
Right?
Have a good day!

Regards
 
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sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Actually it's not. Bomb cyclones are most likely to occur in mid to late December since, due to winter solstice in 22nd of December, the solar insolation gradient reaches a maxima at that time in the Northern Hemisphere. This increase the energy transport flux velocities in the seas and the atmosphere and increases the probability of large scale and intense instabilities to form in the midlatitudes. The figure below shows how the solar insolation varies with latitude. Note how steep the gradient is in the winter hemisphere during the solstice day. This is the ultimate cause of these bomb cyclones that carry heat from the midlatitudes up into the Arctic. So while the Arctic warms a bit, the midlatitudes experience extreme cold and snow.
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Actually it's not. Bomb cyclones are most likely to occur in mid to late December since, due to winter solstice in 22nd of December, the solar insolation gradient reaches a maxima at that time in the Northern Hemisphere. This increase the energy transport flux velocities in the seas and the atmosphere and increases the probability of large scale and intense instabilities to form in the midlatitudes. The figure below shows how the solar insolation varies with latitude. Note how steep the gradient is in the winter hemisphere during the solstice day. This is the ultimate cause of these bomb cyclones that carry heat from the midlatitudes up into the Arctic. So while the Arctic warms a bit, the midlatitudes experience extreme cold and snow.
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The celebration of a holiday itself still had nothing to do with it.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Is there a need of being frustrated and angry, please?

There is no anger, but simple frustration with someone who completely ignores the purpose of producing the Gospels in the first place, to hand on the faith of the 1st Christians for future generations, which was by word of mouth only. There is absolutely nothing remaining of the initial stage, Jesus and the Apostles. Since the Gospels are written not for the purpose of producing any accurate chronological history nor a complete biography of the life of Jesus, why criticize on those very grounds? The Gospels state only that 'Jesus grew in stature and wisdom' through the 'missing' years. Your personal problem accepting Christian authors' portrayal of who Jesus is/was is irrelevant.
 

DNB

Christian
Again, I don't know where you get that from. Certainly not from your bible. Are you perhaps just the sort of person that doens't like seeing people having a good time? Perhaps you don't like celebrating holidays, so you think you have to ruin it for everyone else? I don't know you. I don't know that that's the case. But I'm running out of ideas for your motivation.
...sorry, I assumed that you may have been familiar with the New Testament - it seems many non-Christians on this site are (probably mostly former Christians?)

Galatians 4:8-12
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain. 12I beg you, brothers, become like me, for I became like you. You have done me no wrong.

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
...sorry, I assumed that you may have been familiar with the New Testament - it seems many non-Christians on this site are (probably mostly former Christians?)

Galatians 4:8-12
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain. 12I beg you, brothers, become like me, for I became like you. You have done me no wrong.

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
I've actually studied your New Testament and I know that on many issues, such as this one, you have contradictory statements. So your opinion reflects which verses you choose to emphasize and which you ignore. It is very clear from Acts 15 that the Jews in Jerusalem, being "Zealous for Torah" would have kept all the Jewish holy days, including th Sabbath. But Paul and James were at odds over this.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
It is very clear from Acts 15 that the Jews in Jerusalem, being "Zealous for Torah" would have kept all the Jewish holy days, including th Sabbath. But Paul and James were at odds over this.
Yes .. Paul had to appease the Gentile communities that had sprung up due to his preaching, and the political situation was often tense.
In fact, he ended up imprisoned in Rome, and was probably executed.
 
My attitude echoes Yahweh in Ezekiel 33:11 “Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Yahweh, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’
For God to say something like this knowing how hateful men are towards Him shows He is perfectly good. Anyone rejecting perfect goodness deserves evil, its that simple. In terms of how Gods justice is displayed and intervened and the rule by the standards of His laws.
 

DNB

Christian
I've actually studied your New Testament and I know that on many issues, such as this one, you have contradictory statements. So your opinion reflects which verses you choose to emphasize and which you ignore. It is very clear from Acts 15 that the Jews in Jerusalem, being "Zealous for Torah" would have kept all the Jewish holy days, including th Sabbath. But Paul and James were at odds over this.
So, sorry, you just underscored my point - the Jews were zealous for the Law, whereas the Christians did not want to put a yoke upon the Gentile converts that the Jewish converts father's could not bear. The Jerusalem council concluded that the Gentile are not obligated to observe the Jewish Laws except for: no sexual immorality, no idiolatry, don't eat meat with blood/strangled. That was it - no Sukkoth, Feast of unleavened bread, pesach, sabbath, Yom Kippur, rosh hashanah, etc...

Almost every epistle Paul denounced the Judaizers

Again, christmas is pagan in spirit and practice.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
So, sorry, you just underscored my point - the Jews were zealous for the Law, whereas the Christians did not want to put a yoke upon the Gentile converts that the Jewish converts father's could not bear. The Jerusalem council concluded that the Gentile are not obligated to observe the Jewish Laws except for: no sexual immorality, no idiolatry, don't eat meat with blood/strangled. That was it - no Sukkoth, Feast of unleavened bread, pesach, sabbath, Yom Kippur, rosh hashanah, etc...

Almost every epistle Paul denounced the Judaizers

Again, christmas is pagan in spirit and practice.
"the Jews?" I'm referring to what Acts 21:20 says about the thousands of believers who were zealous for Torah. IOW these were Nazarenes, not just any Jews.

Christmas was never pagan, unless you are claiming that Christianity is itself a form of paganism.
 
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